Originally posted by FrothByte
This is getting way out of hand. Wolverine doesn't have BT speed or reflexes. End of debate. He has never once demonstrated super speed.
Mhm, because fighting characters who have legit speed feats and not getting outright speedblitzed don't count, fascinating
He has been repeatedly hit by enemies that have no super speed.
So have many characters that have super speed in fiction, this by no means a justification (well either that or they're simply that fast as well)
Beside the point, it's been years since I've watched X-Men
What exactly makes low end showings in X-Men any different than low end showings in any other series that just get shunted aside and ignored?
I don't know why this is even being debated. Only an idiot would claim that Wolverine has super speed.
Yeah and Superman isn't super fast based on the same horseshit used by DBZtards of "they don't leave afterimages so they're not fast" argument from artistic style tripe, rite?
It is not part of his powerset. Let it go.
ahahaha gotta love this, it's not going by feats, just same MovieCodec/CBR shite used to downplay characters they don't like (like Thor and Magneto) "oh it doesn't matter if they have performed those feats, they're not put the handbooks as part of their powerset so they don't count!"
The Wolverine fight has zero evidence that anybody was moving faster than normal.
Yeah because Deadpool was holding back and super speed is a technique specific to him
Seriously, most fights unless there's a narration saying shit like "they moved several times the speed of sound" or "he hit x character in a microsecond" or "hit 1000 times in a millisecond", there's no indicator of how fast a fight is going, so you can't take any random fight (say between a character with a quantifiably hypersonic feat and a character on his tier who has no quantifiable speed feats beyond fighting characters on that level) and just say "but that doesn't "look" hypersonic to me so it can't be!", else we could do the same for any fictional universe ever, denying powerscaling would also be crippling for a lot of verses
Which is why most boards tend to judge characters by higher end feats of speed that can be quantified and powerscaling of several characters to that, over how fast and flashy something "looked" (and as opposed to going with every teensy tiny "feat" ever, which we'd get dog piss characters across fiction)
with zero speed feats across 6 films and 1 fight against someone who performed a bullet timing feat under vastly different circumstances, at another time.
Yeah, unless such circumstances (ie: battleground that made them more powerful than usual, for example) are stated, they don't exist. No seriously, do you believe Wade somehow got slower when he was upgraded or that he could blitz everybody else in his party pre-upgrade? Or that his speed feat was due to some technique only he had? He's not Quicksilver so there's no reason to believe that
Which is why most boards tend to judge characters by higher end feats of speed that can be quantified and powerscaling of several characters to that
Just for some perspective, Bleach went on for most of the decade before it got a quantifiably hypersonic speed feat, most characters got scaled to it because of fighting the character with the speed feat on reasonable grounds
Took them 580 chapters to get it's second
over how fast and flashy something "looked"
For example, Cell vs Goku had more flashy speed indicators than Buu vs Gohan, but none of us would claim CS Goku and Cell were much faster than Buu and BS Gohan, despite massive increases in power since the Cell Saga
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
SM never made any claims about Supes or Spiderman, so Werewolf trying to make out as though he is suggesting that they fight at human levels is a joke. Even more so, considering latest movie Supes dodges out of the way of the barrage of bullets in the Smallville fight in MoS (as well as keeping up with people who are shown to easily blitz humans or create sonic booms [B]while fighting him), and Garfield Spidey has a feat in ASM1 where he casually dodges 4 bullets at point blank range, while talking trash, as well as his numerous other super reaction feats throughout the films. And that is just taking the latest versions of those 2.And LOL at people waving stuff around quickly == Wade's feats. When a regular person can start turning after a round is fired at their back, yet is still fast enough to complete the turn and slice it in half, then they can compare to pre-upgrade Wade.
I mean really, use some common sense here. Logan has never once in any of the films displayed anything remotely close to bullet timer speed. The other people Werewolf is trying to compare him to have plenty of feats that make it obvious they operate above normal human speeds.
Basically, Werewolf82 is trying to argue that characters with known super speed and tons of feats to back it up, who occasionally have lower showings, is the same thing as a character with zero speed feats across 6 films and 1 fight against someone who performed a bullet timing feat under vastly different circumstances, at another time. [/B]
Exactly.
Ok, so according to Stealth Ranger we might as well rename the X-men movieverse to the bullet-timerverse. Because if Wolverine is a bullet timer now, anyone who is of comparable speed to Logan must be as well, and there are several characters who are as fast, or faster, than him. So Gambit, Beast, Shingen, Juggs, Creed, Mystique, Deathstrike, Storm (she moves at comparable speeds to Logan when they fight Callisto and Juggs), and that random clown with the arm spikes from X3 are all bullet timers, just to name some. As long as we follow Stealth Ranger's logic, that is.
Ah yeah, so resorts to snide passive aggressive condescension and increulity eh? Well yeah it'd be far from the first time a verse was scaled to a single feat, you know, and crazier things have been accepted so, I don't see the problem, but hey, precious public preconceptions are more important then feats you know
Will say though the whole "tons of feats" and "plenty of feats" things you said are pretty damn cute, considering that alot of the top quantifiable speed feats for several verses only happen about once or twice, maybe between six and a dozen times for longer running verses, and are strewn throughout fictional verses.
Outside of that we're left with a massively overwhelming majority of what would be at best low end superhuman garbage and speed tropes (like speed lines, blurs and afterimages), again, if you were to take every teensy tiny "feat" in fiction you'd end up with low end superhuman garbage at best. Hence why most boards tend to take the standout showings and utilize powerscaling
Again, is Deadpool's super speed a technique specific to him, or did he just get slower post-modification because, potatoes according to you?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Ok, so according to Stealth Ranger we might as well rename the X-men movieverse to the bullet-timerverse. Because if Wolverine is a bullet timer now, anyone who is of comparable speed to Logan must be as well, and there are several characters who are as fast, or faster, than him. So Gambit, Beast, Shingen, Juggs, Creed, Mystique, Deathstrike, Storm (she moves at comparable speeds to Logan when they fight Callisto and Juggs), and that random clown with the arm spikes from X3 are all bullet timers, just to name some. As long as we follow Stealth Ranger's logic, that is.
True, according to him, Wolverine is a bullet-timer because he fought Deadpool, well so did Sabretooth so that means he is also a bullet-timer.
Now following his logic everyone that has fought either Logan or Creed are now BT'ers and so is everyone that they fought etc etc etc.
Originally posted by Silent Master
True, according to him, Wolverine is a bullet-timer because he fought Deadpool, well so did Sabretooth so that means he is also a bullet-timer.Now following his logic everyone that has fought either Logan or Creed are now BT'ers and so is everyone that they fought etc etc etc.
Guess Blob is now a speedster as well. Imagine that. As well as that random cage fighter Wolverine fights in the beginning of X1.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Ah yeah, so resorts to snide passive aggressive condescension and increulity eh? Well yeah it'd be far from the first time a verse was scaled to a single feat, you know, and crazier things have been accepted so, I don't see the problem, but hey, precious public preconceptions are more important then feats you knowWill say though the whole "tons of feats" and "plenty of feats" things you said are pretty damn cute, considering that alot of the top quantifiable speed feats for several verses only happen about once or twice, maybe between six and a dozen times for longer running verses, and are strewn throughout fictional verses.
Outside of that we're left with a massively overwhelming majority of what would be at best low end superhuman garbage and speed tropes (like speed lines, blurs and afterimages), again, if you were to take every teensy tiny "feat" in fiction you'd end up with low end superhuman garbage at best. Hence why most boards tend to take the standout showings and utilize powerscaling
Again, is Deadpool's super speed a technique specific to him, or did he just get slower post-modification because, potatoes according to you?
So did you not read my post properly? I specifically took MoS and Garfield Spiderman, because Supes and Spidey got brought up. I never talked about any other characters. If you got "low end superhuman garbage" from their consistent feats throughout those 3 films, then you need your eyes checked.
I am all for defending people who actually have superspeed. I have had the MoS Supes has superspeed debate with at least half a dozen people who claimed he could only fight at human speeds. But based on consistent feats throughout 6 films, Logan is not a bullet timer. And I find it very hypocritical of you to accuse other people of wanting to throw out one feat because they apparently don't like it, but you want to disregard his showings over nearly 6 entire films because it doesn't suite your argument.
And there is a lot more evidence to support the operation affecting Wade negatively, and possibly affecting his combat abilities, than there are for Logan suddenly being a bullet timer. Hell, he needed keyboard commands to even start fighting, and needed kill orders to go for a decap. If you literally need instructions programmed into you to perform certain actions in a fight, you cannot be considered to be fighting at full potential.
So I will ask you, do you think that all those characters who are more than capable of keeping up with Logan (even normal humans) are bullet timers too? Because by your logic and argument in this thread, they are.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The feat you posted doesn't even come close to matching Wade's feat, but go ahead and continue to wrongly think you actually proved something.
Me: Normal people can make blurs and after images
Silent Master: Then post people doing so
Me: Post link showing so
Silent Master: NO HUR DUR ITS NOT DEADPOOLS LEVEL
Me: Don't exactly remember saying that 😉
This argument in a nutshell.
And again you ignore context, and your logic still puts Superman and spiderman on human level reaction feats 👆
Originally posted by Silent Master
We were talking about Wade's feat, so it should have gone without saying that I was asking for something on that level. And you really need to stop lying about what my stance is.
I'm using your logic. Superman and Spiderman didn't show superspeed when they fought, so again, by your logic, they don't have superspeed reactions.
So again its your logic that is faulty and your all in denial.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're not using my logic, as I have explained to you multiple times..at this point I believe it's obvious to everyone that what you're doing is trolling.
And now your reduce to
SM: I don't like what your saying therefore you are trolling.
:Facepalm:
If you didn't have such shitty logic this wouldn't have been a problem.
Oh and you explained nothing. All you did was spam the thread.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect, I have explained why you are wrong multiple times and you just ignore it and continue to lie about my stance, which makes you a troll.
No you haven't
Now you are lying.
I used your logic, and it doesn't wok. Deal with it.
>Calls me a troll
>Is reduced to calling names
>Spammed the thread
Irony.