Legolas vs Captain America

Sorry Froth, have to call bullshit when I see it. Here you said for us not to pretend BW has enhanced durability because she got swatted by Hulk.

Originally posted by FrothByte
As for surviving a backhand from Hulk, we'll never know since Nyssa is DC. But let's not pretend like BW has some kind of enhanced durability or something.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=610484&pagenumber=1

Clearly you downplay and show bias on any opinion other then your's.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batroc is a normal human, and Cap was unable to KO him with a single hit. And the conclusion you drew from that is that Legolas has less durability than a normal human. Riiight.
Batroc withstanding blows from Cap is not proof that Batroc somehow has superhuman durability, its proof that Cap doesn't hit as hard as you want to believe.

Then here you downplay Cap's hits and say not only is Batroc has no superhuman durability, but Cap does not hit as hard as we think.

I call bullshit.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sorry Froth, have to call bullshit when I see it. Here you said for us not to pretend BW has enhanced durability because she got swatted by Hulk.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=610484&pagenumber=1

Clearly you downplay and show bias on any opinion other then your's.

Then here you downplay Cap's hits and say not only is Batroc has no superhuman durability, but Cap does not hit as hard as we think.

I call bullshit.

Sorry, but nothing I said there is contradictory. My stance is BW doesn't have enhanced durability because she was never stated to be superhuman or have superhuman durability. The same can be said for Batroc. These people have no superhuman durability. The durability they show in the movies is pretty much standard human action movie durability. Nothing special. How exactly am I contradicting myself or showing bias here? You're the ones attributing to BW and Batroc superpowers that they don't have.

As for Cap, I did not downplay his strength, all I said was that he doesn't hit quite as hard as some of the posters here were trying to make us believe, because someone in here said that he can one-hit KO Legolas easily and all I did was prove that Cap didn't one-hit KO a non-enhanced human. Fact is, even in the fight in the elevator, Cap didn't one-hit KO some of those guys - so let's not pretend that he can easily one-hit KO Legolas. I did not say that Cap wasn't super strong, just that he wasn't as strong as some of you were portraying him to be. They way you guys talked about Cad it's as if he was as strong as Thor.

And please, lay off the trash talk and personal attacks. We're all debating our own opinions here. Just because my opinion doesn't match yours doesn't make me biased and you "correct". I can just as easily call you biased.

Where did I say you contradicted your statements? And what am I being bias about?

Though it isn't ever stated, I wouldn't be surprised if Cap is like comic Spidey and pulls his punches to a degree when he fights humans. Seems like something his boyscout self would do.

I mean consider what he did to that punching bag when he hit it full force in The Avengers. He literally hit it hard enough to punch a hole in it and burst it as it went flying. Also, Red Skill put a massive dent in Cap's first metal shield with a straight punch. That's just two examples of full on super-soldier level striking power. Imagine how a human skull would fare under those conditions. It'd probably be the equivalent of getting smashed in the face by Brock Lesnar wielding a sledgehammer. Those blows would kill someone, never mind KO them.

So based on that, I tend to believe that Cap holds a bit in reserve whenever he fights regular humans.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Where did I say you contradicted your statements? And what am I being bias about?

You're calling me on bullcrap and saying I'm biased. What exactly am I biased about and what bullcrap am I talking about? My stance is that both Black Widow and Batroc are very dangerous peak humans... but they do not possess superhuman capabilities.

Now tell me what exactly is biased about that?

Like I said, downplaying feats. I said you were being bias and ignoring feats that didn't go along with your opinion. Then you turned around and did the "no you" and called me bias. So I'll ask again where did I say your statements contradicted and where am I now being bias?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Like I said, downplaying feats. I said you were being bias and ignoring feats that didn't go along with your opinion. Then you turned around and did the "no you" and called me bias. So I'll ask again where did I say your statements contradicted and where am I know being bias?

I could easily accuse you of overhyping feats. Are you telling me both BW and Batroc have superhuman strength or durability?

That's where your bias is: assigning superpowers to individuals that have none just to back up your opinion.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I could easily accuse you of overhyping feats. Are you telling me both BW and Batroc have superhuman strength or durability?

Quote me saying BW or Batroc had Superhuman strength.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Though it isn't ever stated, I wouldn't be surprised if Cap is like comic Spidey and pulls his punches to a degree when he fights humans. Seems like something his boyscout self would do.

I mean consider what he did to that punching bag when he hit it full force in The Avengers. He literally hit it hard enough to punch a hole in it and burst it as it went flying. Also, Red Skill put a massive dent in Cap's first metal shield with a straight punch. That's just two examples of full on super-soldier level striking power. Imagine how a human skull would fare under those conditions. It'd probably be the equivalent of getting smashed in the face by Brock Lesnar wielding a sledgehammer. Those blows would kill someone, never mind KO them.

So based on that, I tend to believe that Cap holds a bit in reserve whenever he fights regular humans.

Yea it's very obvious he can throttle his strength.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Quote me saying BW or Batroc had Superhuman strength.

Well the fact that you're arguing with me shows that you believe this... or am I mistaken?

Do you believe BW or Batroc has superhuman strength or durability? Because if not then I don't know why you're arguing with me. I believe they have normal human strength and durability. Peak human to be sure... but nothing superhuman.

So do you agree with me o not?

No I don't think they have superhuman strength but it's obvious their durability is above peak human.

Who would win on a fight, Bolg or Batroc or how about Bolg vs the humans on the elevator?

Originally posted by carver9
Who would win on a fight, Bolg or Batrock or how about Bolg vs the humans on the elevator?

You mean Batroc? Do try and spell here and there.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You mean Batroc? Do try and spell here and there.

Lol...you knew who I meant.

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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No I don't think they have superhuman strength but it's obvious their durability is above peak human.

So you believe they have superhuman durability? Do you believe that Hawkeye has some degree of super strength since he was able to hurt BW in their match? Do you also believe some of the SHIELD agents in the elevator have superhuman durability since some of them survived more than one hit from Cap?

Follow up question: Do you believe Cap only needs to hit Legolas once to KO him?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you believe they have superhuman durability? Do you believe that Hawkeye has some degree of super strength since he was able to hurt BW in their match? Do you also believe some of the SHIELD agents in the elevator have superhuman durability since some of them survived more than one hit from Cap?

Follow up question: Do you believe Cap only needs to hit Legolas once to KO him?

Red Herrings all over your posts now as you on the defense and trying to change the original debate.

I already stated that cap can throttle his strength, the rest you are spinning with questions that are loaded questions.

Cap was also holding a car from falling off the edge of a bridge. The car only fell when the bumper snapped off in his hands. It's clear like it's been pointed out that he can do some serious damage if he wanted to. If he hit everybody how he was knocking Bucky around or those Chitauri...his body count would be through the roof.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Red Herrings all over your posts now as you on the defense and trying to change the original debate.

I already stated that cap can throttle his strength, the rest you are spinning with questions that are loaded questions.

My questions are in line with my reasoning, and you don't want to answer them because they'll punch holes all over your stance.

But fine, I just need you to answer the one question: Do you believe that Cap will only need to hit Legolas once to KO him?

As for throttling strength, all of us throttle our strength. It's pretty normal. I don't know what you're trying to prove there.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap was also holding a car from falling off the edge of a bridge. The car only fell when the bumper snapped off in his hands. It's clear like it's been pointed out that he can do some serious damage if he wanted to. If he hit everybody how he was knocking Bucky around or those Chitauri...his body count would be through the roof.

Unlike Batman, Cap has no hesitation on killing his enemies. It's kinda silly to claim he's pulling his punches against some enemies while he doesn't hesitate to knife others.

I know Cap is strong, I just think you guys are blowing it out of proportion.

If Cap was this strong, why not hit everyone he fought to the point of koing them in one hit without killing them? Don't get it. If I had the strength you all are giving Cap, none of my fights would be long. A single hit should suffice.