Well, given that they are fighting on an ancient Rakata platform that should logically be approaching indestructible, I doubt they should be that big. 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan doesn't have TK powerful enough to rival nukes bro. MAYbe he can destroy a large temple of something though. He may be legit enough to pull off a pedestrian feat like that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan doesn't have TK powerful enough to rival nukes bro. MAYbe he can destroy a large temple of something though.
But the asteroids were turned to dust!? Clearly that means Nuke level TK. Nevermind the fact that their wasn't a massive shockwave or giant craters or the fact that they didn't even seem to be falling as incredibly fast speeds. The animation turned them to dust...
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Your point is invalidated by the fact that a comparison cannot be made between taking on 20 odd pirates without a lightsaber a gun point and taking on scores of soldiers armed with a lightsaber and never 20 all at once.Understand that being armed makes a considerable difference as it vastly increases your ability to deflect incoming fire. In the hands of any notably skilled user it makes you practically invulnerable to 10+ shooters.
Darth Decimus, known as "the Bastion Lord" by his troops, has a reputation for leading from the front, charging into battle, and breaking apart enemy lines through sheer force of will.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
An individual's ability to disarm and/or rout several opponents simultaneously is dependent upon raw power and command of the Force (i.e. relevant techniques).
Darth Decimus is officially counted among the greatest warriors of the Empire alongside Thanaton and Malgus. However, becoming Emperor's Wrath is a notch above in standing.
Count Dooku, irrespective of his hype, have limitations. And his limitations do not necessarily hold true for every individual.
REPEAT:
You need to admit the realistic possibility that there were other Sith Lords, in the Empire, besides Emperor Vitiate who surpassed Count Dooku in raw power and command of the dark side.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Darth Vowrawn is 80 years old, and that codex entry demonstrates that he retained his position on the Dark Council purely through cunning, not physical strength. I'm not about to make assumptions about how he attained the position in the first place, but it is quite obvious that Vowrawn possesses little strength in the Force, and more likely than not that his powers have waned with age.This is not uncommon for members of the Council. Recall Darth Xedrix😖o you cannot pretend that any accolades pertaining to a DC members power are at all absolute.
For the record, compelling proof that Vowrawn is an inferior Force User to Ventress & Savage:
Read this again:
Many upstart Sith have attempted to best Vowrawn over the years through a variety of strategies, from complex schemes to bluntly direct surprise attacks. Although some scored temporary victories, Vowrawn's talent for adjusting his strategy on the fly has left him the final victor in all these confrontations.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic
Provided information implies that Vowrawn had been bested in "some" battles, not in "all." This is norm.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not only does Vowrawn accept their is no possibility he could defeat the Wrath, but appears to believe the assassin fully capable of killing him as well. These are not the capabilities of an "embodiment of death" I'm afraid. And I can assure you both Ventress and Savage would have decimated that assassin in a heart beat, and would have at least tried to challenge the Wrath.His status as a DC member does not change this, as explained, and is an invalid form of proof. I accept your concession.
Also, which assassin you are talking about?
It is easy for you tout about the capabilities of Ventress and Savage but you tend to forget that they haven't existed in an Empire-like-setting and it is unclear how they would have coped with the challenges of the Empire long-term. Both haven't been tested in ways like the Sith of the Empire typically have been.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
First it says nothing about in history, I refuse to accept your baseless assumptions as valid.
As the chosen apprentice of both Baras and Vengean, he possesses a breadth of knowledge and a depth of power few others can claim.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic
This is an holistic assessment of Draahg's standing in the grand scheme of things or galactic history.
Draahg had been trained in the ways of the dark side by both Baras and Vengean. On the basis of such magnitude of training, Draahg had acquired knowledge of the dark side that few are expected to rival and/or exceed. Similarly, Draahg possessed raw power that few are expected to rival and/or exceed.
More:
"Baras held back when training you, but he taught me everything. And Darth Vengean showed me dark side secrets even Baras doesn't know." (Lord Draahg to Emperor's Wrath)
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Moving on, Dooku was privy to a thousand years of accumulated dark side knowledge and studied at the feet of Darth Sidious himself, the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history with vast knowledge of the Force.
A human Sith Lord whose short reign had elapsed some five centuries earlier, Gravid had been persuaded to believe that total commitment to the dark side would sentence the Sith Order to eventual defeat, and so had sought to introduce Jedi selflessness and compassion into his teachings and practice, forgetting that there can be no return to the light for an adept who has entered the dark wood; that the dark side will not surrender one to whom, by mutual agreement, it has staked a claim. Driven increasingly mad by his attempts to straddle the two realms, Gravid became convinced that the only way to safeguard the future of the Sith was to hide or destroy the lore that had been amassed through the generations—the texts, holocrons, and treatises—so that the Sith could fashion a new beginning for themselves that would guarantee success. Barricaded within the walls of a bastion he and his Twi’lek apprentice, Gean, had constructed on Jaguada, he had attempted as much, and was thought to have destroyed more than half the repository of artifacts before Gean, demonstrating consummate will and courage, had managed to penetrate the Force fields Gravid had raised around their stronghold and intercede, killing her Master with her bare hands, though at the cost of her arm, shoulder, and the entire left side of her face and chest.
From Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
Thanks to actions of Gravid, much of the archives of ancient sources of knowledge of dark arts accumulated by Bannite Sith since Darth Bane had been lost. This is why Plagueis was forced to consider Bith science for his dark experiments.
Also, where it have been stated that Sidious had taught Count Dooku everything? Sidious perceived Count Dooku as a stop-gap measure to cover the loss of Darth Maul until a more suitable apprentice was to be found. Dooku's old age was an issue.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Dooku was also regarded as the most learned student in the Jedi Order, and acquired a personal collection of Sith holocrons and artifacts, including the holocron of Darth Anneddu. It is highly unlikely Draagh's knowledge of the Force is equal or superior to Dooku's.
As for the personal collection of Sith holocrons and artifacts, it is not a big deal.
The Empire had a branch dedicated for the objective of accumulating ancient sources of knowledge of dark arts (i.e. Sphere of Ancient Knowledge).
Charged with the discovery, preservation, and deciphering of the ancient Sith teachings, this sphere seeks to strengthen the Empire by tapping into the power buried in the past.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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The greatest strength of the Empire comes not in the form of weapons or armies, but in the awesome power of the dark side. Understanding this, the Dark Council created the Imperial Reclamation Service to scour the galaxy in search of legendary Sith artifacts. Since its early days, the service has expanded its mission to include any ancient object, technological or religious, from any culture--so long as it empowers the Empire.
I don't think that Sith of the Empire faced shortage of vast amount of Sith holocrons and artifacts. On top of this, Lords of the Empire are officially stated to have developed new powers as well.
Coming back to Draahg, he logically had access to greater sources of knowledge of dark arts then Dooku ever had.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What is important however is the power in the Force they possess, and indeed Dooku has been regarded as:And as a Sith Lord he grew even stronger:
You need to educate yourself on these ground realities and realise that Draagh, who has none such accolades, is certainly not more powerful than Count Dooku.
Draahg's hype is just as logically just as good:
As the chosen apprentice of both Baras and Vengean, he possesses a breadth of knowledge and a depth of power few others can claim.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So your saying that Draahg is more powerful than Bane? Noted.Regardless, your mistaken. Draahg isn't using the power applied by Bane here, which was a particulary potent form of Force drain. Draahg is using a form Force destruction, a power that uses field of dark side energy that can potentially disintegrate anything it comes into contact with.
Some information: http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotor/forcepowers/deathfield.php
Originally posted by Beniboybling
While taxing, it is not the same ability, nor is Draahg's application nearly as potent. And as others have noted, was sustained by Draahg's cybernetic augmentations:Likely some kind of alchemical device. The point is it is evidently beyond his base powers.
Evidently beyond his base powers? This shortcoming had been addressed via an augmentation.
Augmentations, if permanent, cannot be excluded from the list of strengths of Draahg. They will be considered in comparisons.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So this is not proof Draagh beats Dooku, which leaves you with no ground to stand on. I think the term is baseless fanboyism.
Originally posted by ares834
But the asteroids were turned to dust!? Clearly that means Nuke level TK. Nevermind the fact that their wasn't a massive shockwave or giant craters or the fact that they didn't even seem to be falling as incredibly fast speeds. The animation turned them to dust...
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Or they might not even be that dense in the first place, which I'm sure nobody wants to presume. If they were, then they'd fall at great speed regardless. If the exaggerations on this thread are true, then yes there should be craters or massive shockwaves, or at the very least, something to support such exaggeration.
Furthermore, the feat happens during gameplay so the full circumstance surrounding it is hard to know. There could be several different scenarios. All we know is that Revan moved huge meteorites with the force, and used them to his advantage, which is an impressive feat, and one only a powerful force user should be able to accomplish.
With Dooku's feat, he was lifting about 18 or 20 ridiculously heavy objects against gravity, and just judging from that feat alone, you can clearly see that lifting upwards requires more effort than bringing them down: the weight and gravity allowed them to be brought down faster than they were pulled up. So are we to judge the power of the feat based on how fast Dooku brought them back down? An analogy, it's harder loading a heavy object in a truck than bringing it down. Unloading, all you have to do is pull the object off the truck and allow gravity to do the rest of the work (assuming you're careless with the object). Even if you were to accelerate the speed of the object's fall, that'd hardly determine how strong you are, since all you would have to do is apply force while gravity is still playing it's roll, whereas gravity does not support lifting at all.
Ant, why are you even focused on comparing the two feats, unless you're concluding that's Revan's maxed out TK feat? Because you do realize, that just by observation, that obelisk feat isn't even close to the best Dooku is capable of? I'm more than sure you don't regard a semi-contextless feat as Revan's best.
Uh what? Talk about double standards here.
Throughout the game he can use a rage burst and his force powers became vastly more powerful. The only time it is automatically activated IIRC is the final battle against Vader. And no, it's not contradicted by either the novel or comic. 👆
Staarkiller confirmed greater than Revan. 🙂