Tough one for me. It's hard to gauge if Sauron could hurt Loki. I mean the best we saw him do was take out cannon fodder fighters all equipped with medieval weaponry and armour.
While we know Loki can stand up not only to modern weaponary but sci-fi advanced ones as well.
Also Loki's staff probably packs a lot more punch then anything Sauron had to tank.
So based on screen feats I would have to go with Loki.
Sauron's power lies in magic and illusion, not being some 10 foot swing and smash.
Newjak those cannon fodder fighters with medieval equipment were the finest Noldor elves and Numenorean men that High King Gil-Galad, King Elendil, Lord Elrond and Prince Isildur could muster.
Their medieval equipment was the finest forged armour and weaponry you could find outside of Gondolin, Sauron fodderizing six to eight of them in one swing is very impressive actually.
The book however has a far more impressive engagement:
Gil-Galad, Elendil, Elrond and Isildur fight him simultaneously. He lifts and burns Gil-Galad to death simply by touching him. He immolates Elendil with ease and whilst basically not paying attention has his finger cut off by Isildur.
Loki is a much stronger combatant than people give him credit for but he is not beating Sauron.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Gil-Galad, Elendil, Elrond and Isildur fight him simultaneously. He lifts and burns Gil-Galad to death simply by touching him. He immolates Elendil with ease and whilst basically not paying attention has his finger cut off by Isildur.
Not exactly. Gil-Galad does die from the heat of Sauron's hand but Sauron himself is slain while battling Elendil and Gil-Galad. Isildur then walks up to the body and cuts the ring and finger off vanquishing Sauron for a time.
Originally posted by AncientPowerExcept none of that gets conveyed in the movies.
Sauron's power lies in magic and illusion, not being some 10 foot swing and smash.Newjak those cannon fodder fighters with medieval equipment were the finest Noldor elves and Numenorean men that High King Gil-Galad, King Elendil, Lord Elrond and Prince Isildur could muster.
Their medieval equipment was the finest forged armour and weaponry you could find outside of Gondolin, Sauron fodderizing six to eight of them in one swing is very impressive actually.
The book however has a far more impressive engagement:
Gil-Galad, Elendil, Elrond and Isildur fight him simultaneously. He lifts and burns Gil-Galad to death simply by touching him. He immolates Elendil with ease and whilst basically not paying attention has his finger cut off by Isildur.
Loki is a much stronger combatant than people give him credit for but he is not beating Sauron.
Even if they are the best equipped elves/humans I don't see their equipment holding up to machine gun fire and I definitely have yet to see a Middle Earth person that would be bullet proof. Without question I have yet to see anyone that I would say could take a point blank explosion to the face.
Originally posted by Newjak
Except none of that gets conveyed in the movies.Even if they are the best equipped elves/humans I don't see their equipment holding up to machine gun fire and I definitely have yet to see a Middle Earth person that would be bullet proof. Without question I have yet to see anyone that I would say could take a point blank explosion to the face.
Unless he gets that ring off his finger which OP says does not happen, his raw power is way above Loki.
Originally posted by relentless1You really think it is above Loki's hitting power to send people flying with hits.
how about ***** slapping entire legions of soldiers casually? thats way above Lokis hitting power and general strength levels, and we've all seen the rings power so I think this is worse than a Hulk beatdown on Loki tbh
Look at his fight against Captain America and how easily he was knocking around a superhuman who does casually send people flying with hits. Or even the Shield Agents at the begining of the fight.
Actually the movies never really SHOWS how powerful the ring is. Loki has fought much tougher people and the only battle feats from Sauron are hitting a bunch of people around that aren't even close to Loki in Durability or Power.
Originally posted by relentless1
Sure, Loki can do that to one or two guys but Sauron did it to legions (hundreds) of guys at the same time, do you know how numbers work? Tossing 100 guys >>>>>>>>> tossing 1 or 2 guys. Sauron stomps hard.
Exactly, Cap and Loki would have to hit them individually, Sauron was clearing rows of fully armed men with the stroke of his weapon. I'd like to see Captain or Loki do that.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sauron would roflstomp cap, it would be major spite.Are you unclear of how powerful Sauron is?
Show me Cap or Loki clearing dozens of full armored men with a stroke of their hand.
You do realize in the recent Trailer for Avengers Cap can throw a motorcycle hard enough to crush the front of an armored vehicle. Cap is not lacking in the strength department. Heck he can casually toss someone 15-20 feet in the air while treading water.
Loki simply has better durability feats and I have no doubt Loki's weapon will be able to hurt Sauron.
Originally posted by relentless1
Sure, Loki can do that to one or two guys but Sauron did it to legions (hundreds) of guys at the same time, do you know how numbers work? Tossing 100 guys >>>>>>>>> tossing 1 or 2 guys. Sauron stomps hard.
Watch the video again it was not hundreds in one fell swoop.
Each hit was knocking back something like 6-9 of them. It is a good feat but I don't know if it is enough to go up against someone that that can take point blank explosions to the face. Or someone that can take attacks the blow up cars in one hit.
ok, each hit knocked back about a dozen guys, but he was as nonchalant as a kid swiping his hand through bath water; you haven't proven anything in Lokis favour, in fact this just strengthens my claim that Sauron is stronger. Sauron feat is a Hulk level showing and we all know what happened to Loki when he came up against Hulk...
Originally posted by relentless1It is a good feat but not Hulk level. Ironman could have done something similar. Heck recently Cap was shown in a trailer tossing a motorcycle hard enough to crash the front end of an armored car.
ok, each hit knocked back about a dozen guys, but he was as nonchalant as a kid swiping his hand through bath water; you haven't proven anything in Lokis favour, in fact this just strengthens my claim that Sauron is stronger. Sauron feat is a Hulk level showing and we all know what happened to Loki when he came up against Hulk...
At this point Cap is not lacking strength feats and Loki treat him like a child.
Heck Thor has much better feats than what Sauron displayed and Loki can take shots from him for a limited time.
I still do not see how Sauron is going to hurt Loki while I have no doubt Loki's staff could hurt Sauron.
Originally posted by Newjak
No I think the video posted below shows exactly how powerful Sauron is.You do realize in the recent Trailer for Avengers Cap can throw a motorcycle hard enough to crush the front of an armored vehicle. Cap is not lacking in the strength department. Heck he can casually toss someone 15-20 feet in the air while treading water.
Loki simply has better durability feats and I have no doubt Loki's weapon will be able to hurt Sauron.
Watch the video again it was not hundreds in one fell swoop.
Each hit was knocking back something like 6-9 of them. It is a good feat but I don't know if it is enough to go up against someone that that can take point blank explosions to the face. Or someone that can take attacks the blow up cars in one hit.
Captain America motorcycle throw has nothing to do with this fight, the movie isn't even out, and he isn't even in the thread. Is it your way of trying to win by going off topic about a movie that isn't even out? Saying now that Cap beats Sauron is completely asinine now. I always take cap's side in every fight but its far fetched now to say "oh he would beat Sauron." To add I don't even like Sauron but its foolish to have that kinda discussion. Sauron without his body schooled Gandolf easily, who would wreck Loki even easier.