Loki vs Sauron

Originally posted by Newjak
I have seen the movies the fact that is your only counter proves something about your stance.

You should be showing me a feat that supports your claims instead of saying I haven't seen the movie.

Your claim.

Originally posted by Newjak

And Grenade Launcher would still be more firepower than anything shown in middle earth by one person.

Any of the magic used by Sauron, Gandalf or Saruman>grenade launcher

Smog>grenade launcher

Siege Weapons used by the orcs>grenade launcher

Balrog>grenade launcher

To add, have you ever actually fired a grenade launcher? Because they really are not that powerful.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Your claim.

Any of the magic used by Sauron, Gandalf or Saruman>grenade launcher

Smog>grenade launcher

Siege Weapons used by the orcs>grenade launcher

Balrog>grenade launcher

To add, have you ever actually fired a grenade launcher? Because they really are not that powerful.

I don't see the balrog doing better.

Originally posted by Newjak
None of the magic used by Sauron or Gandalf or Saruman > than a grenade launcher. I will admit I overlooked Smaug who was definitely destructive but that's about it.

I don't see the balrog doing better.

Grenade launchers a weak in real life and they could replicate any feat Loki's staff did, that thing was not that powerful compared to Gungir..

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Grenade launchers a weak in real life and they could replicate any feat Loki's staff did, that thing was not that powerful compared to Gungir..

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't know about you but that sign Loki blew off was not small if Grenade Launcher could that then yes it is better than anything those three showed.

So first it was you claiming that nothing in LOTR was more powerful then a grenade launcher, which was disproved.

Then you claimed that his weapon took out a chopper and a car, when in fact it just hit the weakest portion on the chopper and flipped the car over.

It was also you claiming that a large portion of the building was blown off when in fact it was only part of the sign on the exterior of the building.

You have proved you really don't have your facts straight about what you are debating.

You never fired a grenade launcher in real life so you really don't have a clue about them.

End of discussion.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So first it was you claiming that nothing in LOTR was more powerful then a grenade launcher, which was disproved.

Then you claimed that his weapon took out a chopper and a car, when in fact it just hit the weakest portion on the chopper and flipped the car over.

It was also you claiming that a large portion of the building was blown off when in fact it was only part of the sign on the exterior of the building.

You have proved you really don't have your facts straight about what you are debating.

You never fired a grenade launcher in real life so you really don't have a clue about them.

End of discussion.

You were the one who brought up the grenade launcher initially. If a grenade launcher can do those things then a grenade launcher would be more powerful than Sauron/Gandlaf/Sarumon.

I large chunk of the building did get blown off. I don't know if you know but that sign was huge!!!!! Probably weighing many tons.

The funny thing is this is nothing more than a stall. You guys have yet to actually provide any feats that say Sauron can damage much less hang with Loki.

Originally posted by Newjak
Both the Chopper and Car claim were true.

You were the one who brought up the grenade launcher initially. If a grenade launcher can do those things then a grenade launcher would be more powerful than Sauron/Gandlaf/Sarumon.

I large chunk of the building did get blown off. I don't know if you know but that sign was huge!!!!! Probably weighing many tons.

The funny thing is this is nothing more than a stall. You guys have yet to actually provide any feats that say Sauron can damage much less hang with Loki.

Do you not understand a sign hanging off a building vs saying a large chunk of the building was blow off. I refuse to believe you are this ignorant.

Building>Sign hanging off weighing many tons.

Loki gets beat the fck down by the mace.

End of story.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Do you not understand a sign hanging off a building vs saying a large chunk of the building was blow off. I refuse to believe you are this ignorant.

Building>Sign hanging off weighing many tons.

Loki gets beat the fck down by the mace.

End of story.

Still the point remains nothing Sauron did is better than attacks Loki has already tanked.

Thing like Machine Gun fire, bullet to the face, Iron Man's Repulsor blasts, and an exploding arrow to the face.

Getting pummeled on by the Hulk and Thor since they objectively have better feats than Sauron.

Originally posted by Newjak
If it stops you from going on a tangent I'm sorry I said large chunk instead of sign.

Still the point remains nothing Sauron did is better than attacks Loki has already tanked.

Thing like Machine Gun fire, bullet to the face, Iron Man's Repulsor blasts, and an exploding arrow to the face.

Getting pummeled on by the Hulk and Thor since they objectively have better feats than Sauron.

Are you seriously ignoring Sauron's magic mace and saying cause loki is bulletproof he cant take a beating?

I guess you missed Thor saying in TDW, that he always held back on Loki, and he would kill him if wanted too. Loki getting beat down by Thor holding back does not give him the win over Sauron. Lady Siff and Warriors 3 even said they would kill him.

Loki was constantly getting tooled by everyone.

Sauron handles him with some difficultly due to his durability but he will handle him.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you seriously ignoring Sauron's magic mace and saying cause loki is bulletproof he cant take a beating?

I guess you missed Thor saying in TDW, that he always held back on Loki, and he would kill him if wanted too. Loki getting beat down by Thor holding back does not give him the win over Sauron. Lady Siff and Warriors 3 even said they would kill him.

Loki was constantly getting tooled by everyone.

Sauron handles him with some difficultly due to his durability but he will handle him.

Hulk was not holding back.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not ignoring it. It just doesn't have the feats to suggest he bypasses Loki's pretty good damage soak considering what has taken.

Hulk was not holding back.

Strawmen are out in force today trolling huh, cause thats not what I said, Newjack.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Strawmen are out in force today trolling huh, cause thats not what I said, Newjack.

Next what are you saying you did not say?

Originally posted by Newjak
First of all spell my name right. It is Newjak.

Next what are you saying you did not say?

Where did I say Hulk was not holding back?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Where did I say Hulk was not holding back?

To be fair, While I believe Sauron def has the sheer power advantage here (no question IMO), Loki's advantage stems from 3 things: the fact that his weapon is a ranged weapon, the fact that Sauron doesn't move very fast in the movies and the fact that standard VS fights have some distance between combatants.

Originally posted by Newjak
You pointed out Thor was holding back so I pointed out while that maybe true, THor does get serious in his fights with Loki sometimes, Hulk was not holding back. Basically it doesn't matter if Thor was holding back cause the beating he got from Hulk was 100% go. And Hulk is still objectively way stronger than anything Sauron has done.

While that maybe true, so him stating on screen that it was true is a maybe to you.

I wont be bothering talking to about this anymore as you continue to ignore on screen facts.

Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not ignoring it. It just doesn't have the feats to suggest he bypasses Loki's pretty good damage soak considering what has taken.

Hulk was not holding back.

Sauron wins.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
To be fair, While I believe Sauron def has the sheer power advantage here (no question IMO), Loki's advantage stems from 3 things: the fact that his weapon is a ranged weapon, the fact that Sauron doesn't move very fast in the movies and the fact that standard VS fights have some distance between combatants.

Why do you need to move fast when your strikes have a large area of impact. As to his ranged weapon, Sauron can block those with a magic shield. Loki has that ranged weapon and always engaged H2H with his opponents.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Why do you need to move fast when your strikes have a large area of impact. As to his ranged weapon, Sauron can block those with a magic shield. Loki has that ranged weapon and always engaged H2H with his opponents.

Did he ever manifest a magic shield tho? I don't recall him ever pitting up any kind of barrier, even in his flaming eye form.

And aren't standard Vs starting distances like around 50 meters or somesuch? Can't remeber atm, but around that distance isn't it too far for Sauron's melee attack?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Did he ever manifest a magic shield tho? I don't recall him ever pitting up any kind of barrier, even in his flaming eye form

He was using a competing barrier against Gandalf before he owned him.