Loki vs Sauron

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I only counted his loses because someone pissed me off with the logic that because Loki supposidly had all this power to resist Saurons TK based off Loki>Captain America. Piss poor reasoning to now that son own with a little strength can shrug off TK.

Anyways you gonna actually debate or do your usual trolling in the thread without actually taking a side?

I've said and continue to say if Sauron is going to rip the staff out of Loki's hand he needs to be able to overpower Loki's strength.

So far the only person we saw Sauron's TK overpower is Gandalf.

Cap is stronger than Gandalf and Loki was treating him as a nuisance. Therefore to rip the staff from Loki's hand he would need to you know have the TK strength to do so.

All you've said is of course Sauron could rip the staff out of Loki's hand because it is a TK attack and unblockable.

People get disarmed all the time in combat. Either from TK, suprise attack or just being in a fight. As did Loki many times. Quit acting like its some huge deal for somone to lose there weapon in combat.

You got silly many times in this debate so consider it fair play. I can tell your very vested in this argument because Thor is your baby, but he isn't even in the fight..Loki besting Cap physically has nothing to do with Loki being bested magically by Sauron.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
People get disarmed all the time in combat. Either from TK, suprise attack or just being in a fight. As did Loki many times. Quit acting like its some huge deal for somone to lose there weapon in combat.

You got silly many times in this debate so consider it fair play. I can tell your very vested in this argument because Thor is your baby, but he isn't even in the fight..Loki besting Cap physically has nothing to do with Loki being bested magically by Sauron.

Loki besting Cap shows his strength level which is the strength level Sauron would have to overcome to take the staff out of Loki's hand.

Ok so while Loki is hanging on for dear life for his weapon getting tossed and raped with Magic by Sauron he wins? I mean I know you don't believe these arguements but it's humorous at this point. Keep it up.

Question when Gandalf is throwing people around with his staff, but the staff never touches them.. are people considering this TK?

I am considering TK the invisible force used by Sauron against Gandalf when he was throwing him around.

Okay.. but what about when Gandalf is throwing people around with his staff... Same with Saruman... IS that TK or the staff projecting the energy?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Okay.. but what about when Gandalf is throwing people around with his staff... Same with Saruman... IS that TK or the staff projecting the energy?

Not really relevant to the debate so idk, but Saruman did take Gandalfs staff with TK just by using his power.

It does, since ya know, Sauron also practices magic. Even a staff. I'm simply curious what you considered to be going on there.

ITT: Loki was able to beat Cap so he can beat Sauron rhetoric

Originally posted by StealthRanger
ITT: Loki was able to beat Cap so he can beat Sauron rhetoric

i am cutting in here, i am pretty sure that sauron is over 3000 years old, and older because he was born before the world. meaning he was growing in power and magic ability.

this should help clear some things up http://thainsbook.net/sauron.html

sauron doesnt really have feats in the movie apart from knocking people around with his bare strength with a mace so to send groups of armoured soldiers around with a mace is a good strength feat and he did it so effortlessly.

in the thread of who could resist the ring (cap, Professor X and Loki) loki resisted the longest because of his nature but his will isnt as evil or vicious as saurons

saurons has magic and strength on his own and with the one Ring not being cut off ("When he wielded the One Ring, Sauron's power was enhanced"~ gandalf) he gains even more.

Saurons destroys the asgardians joke of an orphan

btw the link is to corroborate what i am saying, i have read almost all the books except for the Children of Hu Rin, the link is also to jog my memory

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
btw the link is to corroborate what i am saying, i have read almost all the books except for the Children of Hu Rin, the link is also to jog my memory

Anyways the point is Sauron wins

Originally posted by Genesis-Soldier
btw the link is to corroborate what i am saying, i have read almost all the books except for the Children of Hu Rin, the link is also to jog my memory

You're aware that book feats don't count, right?

they do help explain the lead up of power though, otherwise all we see is a creepy armolured being who sendes people flying

but yeah i know they don't count

They don't help explain anything in the movies, because they don't count for the movies.

the physical body of sauron has way to little feats though (in my opinion)