Originally posted by Nibedicus
Looked to me more than a shadow attack overwhelming Gandalf's light shield. But I digress. Just inserting some ideas into the thread, won't debate in it atm as I have no solid opinion so far.
Would it be that far of a stretch to think that the most powerful person in middle earth could not produce a shield but his lessors could?
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThat would be like me saying because Thor is more powerful than Loki he should be able to use Loki's illusions.
Would it be that far of a stretch to think that the most powerful person in middle earth could not produce a shield but his lessors could?
Just because one person can do something does not mean someone else can do something because they are more powerful. I mean in certain cases it could true but it is not enough by itself to make that statement correct.
Originally posted by Newjak
That would be like me saying because Thor is more powerful than Loki he should be able to use Loki's illusions.Just because one person can do something does not mean someone else can do something because they are more powerful. I mean in certain cases it could true but it is not enough by itself to make that statement correct.
No it would not, because Sauron did use barriers.
You made plenty of false claims in this thread, don't add to them.
So basically you think Loki is immune to damage, if that was the case, he would not have been getting tooled around by everyone. And that because he stood up to sci fi weapons, that must makes him immune to magic as well. If thats not the worst logic there is, I dunno what else to tell you, its like you say
"No Loki cant be hurt"
but
"No, he can't be hurt by magic either because Ironman hit him with his repulsers which did nothing to him but knock him over!"
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialYour reply to me about when did Sauron use a barrier in his fight with Gandalf is this.
So basically you think Loki is immune to damage, if that was the case, he would not have been getting tooled around by everyone. And that because he stood up to sci fi weapons, that must makes him immune to magic as well. If thats not the worst logic there is, I dunno what else to tell you, its like you say"No Loki cant be hurt"
but
"No, he can't be hurt by magic either because Ironman hit him with his repulsers which did nothing to him but knock him over!"
I never said he was immune to damage I said he has demonstrated high durability throughout his movie appearances. Gave specific examples of that.
I also never said magic could not potentially hurt him but I am not going to take magic is awesome as an answer. How much offensive output does this magic have. Is stronger than an Ironman Repulsor blast. Not by feats.
Honestly you are the ones trying to apply no limits to something while I'm trying to actually look at feats.
As to mentioning SCi-Fi weapons and modern weapons it is pertinent. Sauron existed in place and time where they were still Medieval in their technology. Their armor had arrows could pierce them. Even elven armor. Their swords were steel. As far as we can tell no one on Middle Earth has had to tank an attack of modern or sci-fi type lethality, with the exception of Smaug's offensive output but no one survived a hit from his attack so it doesn't look good.
Sauron's best feats are knocking a group of people into the air which is a good feat but not even close to the damage that Loki has had to deal with. Sauron's other feat is beating Gandalf who is still a squishy human that can get cuts and scraps like a normal person.
He also had his fingers cut off by a sword, yes it was a sharp sword but we don't know if it was adamantium level or just slightly better than a normal sword. Considering it was reforged by elves probably means it is not terribly greater than a normal sword.
Originally posted by Newjak
Sauron's best feats are knocking a group of people into the air which is a good feat but not even close to the damage that Loki has had to deal with. Sauron's other feat is beating Gandalf who is still a squishy human that can get cuts and scraps like a normal person.
So you only counting Saurons opening screen feats, none of his other ones, yet Loki's gets all his feats from all the movies.
Its like you didn't even watch the movies.
You are an extremely bias poster who picks and chooses feats, since you always want the last word, you can have it.
You aint worth my time. I wont be responding again to this horse shit of posting style from you. Ill just keep quoting over you and wont care what you post now cause its clear you just want to piss me off.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So you only counting Saurons opening screen feats, none of his other ones, yet Loki's gets all his feats from all the movies.Its like you didn't even watch the movies.
You are an extremely bias poster who picks and chooses feats, since you always want the last word, you can have it.
You aint worth my time. I wont be responding again to this horse shit of posting style from you. Ill just keep quoting over you and wont care what you post now cause its clear you just want to piss me off.
>applying no limits fallacy
>suggests Loki can resist his tk is laughable
>applying no limits fallacys in every argument.
>again ignoring movie feats
Owned again.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Sauron TK's Loki staff and then treats him like a Rag doll with his TK./thread