Originally posted by ares834
True. Doesn't necessarily mean he is wrong though. As for Sauron's TK, don't forget Sauron's "shadows" smashed through Gandalf's magical defenses and were easily crumbling the stone bridge and walls.
Not only that but his attack disintegrated Gandalf's magic wand as well.
I really don't think Loki has greater strength feats tbh, Saurons original feats was plowing through ranks of fully armored men like toys. Loki and cap can sure put a beat down on people normal cannon fodder a few at a time, but Sauron was just plowing though people like nothing.
Loki's greatest strength feat was tooling Captain and being interrupted by Ironman, we know that Thor always holds back on Loki and we know Loki can take on some cannon fodder Frost Giants and Dark Elves with weapons.
As for raw strength, I would put him at 1-2x stronger then Captain. Remembering that Loki was a runt frost giant and lacking many strength feats, and having zero feats without a weapon of some sort, thats a genuine estimate.
That does not equal Saurons strength at all though, he was on another level. If it was Sauron vs Cap, it would be slaughter in Saurons favor with is AEO attacks with that mace.
Originally posted by ares834I did not quote the cap feat in reference to the shadow attack. I posted it in reference to Sauron holding down Gandalf.
Wha? I mean Loki may have better strength feats that I can't remember but that one pales in comparison TBH.
I've already recognized the shadow attack. I said it was impressive and better than I remember. I'm also not blowing it out of proportion. For one thing it was not like the fortress was in great condition.
I also posted Loki tanking the bifroat explosion which is objectively better than the shadow attack from Sauron.
Originally posted by Newjak
For one thing it was not like the fortress was in great condition.
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This is laughable.
You so desperate.
You think Loki cant lose by all the times he's got owned over and over, sure he has great durability, he lacks offensive capabilities.
He gets tooled like he always does. Thor bag.
wow i missed a lot eh lol, bottom line is that Loki is a trickster, he's no fighter as evidenced by all the ass whoopins he's been handed over three movies so far, Sauron is a fighter however, a strong, powerful one at that as evidenced by all the damage he's dished out in 2 relatively short showings. Great durability, even if played for laughs is definitely a boon for Loki but at the end of the day even Homer Simpson had to be saved from being killed by Drederick Tatum and his cartoon durability was through the roof. At the end of the day it all boils down to the fact that Loki hasnt shown any offensive capabilities that are good enough to take out a guy like Sauron and a hefty damage soak isn't enough to keep Loki in the fight.
I mean who the fck has Loki put a whooping on besides 20 seconds of a scuffle which Cap had not even begun to get serious before Ironman stomped on him like Mario brothers.
With all the Loki wanking NewJack is doing, it like he beat Thor, Hulk and Ironman all together.
Jesus, he never has won a single fight on his own accord.
He beat Kurse with their own weapon, a black hole grenade while Thor was getting wrecked.
The two times he stood up to Thor he had two weapons that were not his.
He got tooled by Thor numerous times, trashed by Ironman a few times and got beat down hard by Hulk.
None of these durability feats classify as a offensive win here.
Its like Newjack thinks his cartoonish durability nets him an offensive win.
He's a punching bag
Originally posted by StealthRanger
So, what exactly stops Sauron from TKing Loki or mind****ing him? Can't recall any feats that suggest such a thing, though haven't watched an MCU film in a whileAlso has Loki ever effected intangiable beings?
Newjacks argument was basically because he tooled Cap for a couple seconds that makes him stronger then Gandalf, therefore now he can now resist Saurons TK...
Right....
Must have missed the feat where Cap was able to shake the stonework of Moria just with his footsteps alone. This being performed by Durin's Bane who is <= Gandalf who is <Sauron
Prime Sauron is prolly>Galadriel who caused a several hundred meter-kilometer wide shockwave that parted clouds as a side effect of vaporising a minion
Originally posted by Newjak
You are in love with this word TK. It is not some magic plot device that magically makes anything it acts against helpless.If something can exert an equal or greater force against it the TK won't work.
So in order for him to take the staff away he has to be able to exert greater force than Loki can. Me showing that he can tool Captain America shows how strong Loki is the best you have holding Gandalf down. That is not that great. comparatively
IOW: Cause he was a little stronger then Captain America, now he can resist Saurons Tk because Cap is stronger then Gandalf..
If Loki was that strong he would not be getting his ass beat everytime he turns around.
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