Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So because Loki tricked some weak feeb minds with the gem, he can now TP Sauron..lol! Another great one from you.Show the mind rape working on anyone with powers such as Sauron.
If not just concede to the whole argument.
Yeah, this is just getting silly now. Willpower has almost always been tied with mental defense including in LotR itself.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are you dumb, cause I didn't say that..Read what you quoted before you type.
This coming from someone you can tell difference between quotes and adjectives. Relentless made the claim about the mace being magical. YOu then picked up the torch about the mace being powerful. Simple
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialYou guys really have no idea how logic works right?
So because Loki tricked some weak feeb minds with the gem, he can now TP Sauron..lol! Another great one from you.Show the mind rape working on anyone with powers such as Sauron.
If not just concede to the whole argument.
You keep saying I apply a no limits fallacy to Loki but all you have been doing is trying to apply a no limits fallacy to Sauron.
According to you Sauron could take something away that the Hulk was holding because well TK. That's a poort argument.
Now apparently you're saying that because no one has tried TP one Sauron that he must be immune to it?
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialIt means that if someone is going to try and rip something out of his hand or hold him down on the ground then they are going to need enough TK strength to do these things.
Tooling Captain America means he can resist TK according to you? 😆 😆 😆 😆
You need to show Sauron has that level of TK strength. So far you have not.
Originally posted by Newjak
You guys really have no idea how logic works right?You keep saying I apply a no limits fallacy to Loki but all you have been doing is trying to apply a no limits fallacy to Sauron.
According to you Sauron could take something away that the Hulk was holding because well TK. That's a poort argument.
Now apparently you're saying that because no one has tried TP one Sauron that he must be immune to it?
"poor"
Apparently you lack the Logic Department.
You just said the mind gem would work on Sauron when you have Zero Proof.
Where did I say he could take something away from the Hulk?
Another straw man argument.
Originally posted by Newjak
It means that if someone is going to try and rip something out of his hand or hold him down on the ground then they are going to need enough TK strength to do these things.You need to show Sauron has that level of TK strength. So far you have not.
Lol people stole cap's shield and knocked it out his hand a few times, now you think TK can't do it cause what Loki beat Cap? 😆
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialI said going by ares logic since Loki has never used the gem to stop a mind attack then therefore neither has Sauron.
"poor"Apparently you lack the Logic Department.
You just said the mind gem would work on Sauron when you have Zero Proof.
Where did I say he could take something away from the Hulk?
Another straw man argument.
Therefore if you want to say that the gem does not afford Loki mental security the same would hold true for Sauron. That this point you need to try and keep up.
You're saying that because Sauron has TK he can just take the staff from Loki because there is no defense against TK. By that logic Sauron can take anything away from any character without TK. Thus according to you he could take something out Hulk's grip if he wanted to.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This coming from someone you can tell difference between quotes and adjectives. Relentless made the claim about the mace being magical. YOu then picked up the torch about the mace being powerful. Simple
Your stupid, quote me saying the mace was magical or shut up.
Originally posted by Newjak
I said going by ares logic since Loki has never used the gem to stop a mind attack then therefore neither has Sauron.Therefore if you want to say that the gem does not afford Loki mental security the same would hold true for Sauron. That this point you need to try and keep up.
You're saying that because Sauron has TK he can just take the staff from Loki because there is no defense against TK. By that logic Sauron can take anything away from any character without TK. Thus according to you he could take something out Hulk's grip if he wanted to.
Nope you said he could use it on Sauron, prove it would work on Sauron.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThis sentence is a jumbled mess of logic. It doesn't even have a point.
Lol people stole cap's shield and knocked it out his hand a few times, now you think TK can't do it cause what Loki beat Cap? 😆
Someone people stealing Cap's shield means TK can rip the staff out of Loki's hands is the best I can come up with?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Got a few Pm's from people that Newjack is a huge Thor Fan boy so its no wonder its going this way..
True. Doesn't necessarily mean he is wrong though. As for Sauron's TK, don't forget Sauron's "shadows" smashed through Gandalf's magical defenses and were easily crumbling the stone bridge and walls.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialI did because of what ares said.
Nope you said he could use it on Sauron, prove it would work on Sauron.
At this point Sauron has shown no TP defense therefore Loki uses the staff to effect Sauron's mind. That is the logic ares was using. I don't agree with it but if we are going off of the absurd I can play along.
Originally posted by ares834
True. Doesn't necessarily mean he is wrong though. As for Sauron's TK, don't forget Sauron's "shadows" smashed through Gandalf's magical defenses and were easily crumbling the stone bridge and walls.
I pointed that out, somehow he thinks that Loki beating Captain America trumps that feat.
Originally posted by Newjak
I did because of what ares said.At this point Sauron has shown no TP defense therefore Loki uses the staff to effect Sauron's mind. That is the logic ares was using. I don't agree with it but if we are going off of the absurd I can play along.
Ur logic has been absurd since the start. 🤣
Originally posted by Newjak
I said going by ares logic since Loki has never used the gem to stop a mind attack then therefore neither has Sauron.Therefore if you want to say that the gem does not afford Loki mental security the same would hold true for Sauron. That this point you need to try and keep up.
Will power is tied up with mental defenses in LotR. For example, in the script it mentions that Bilbo musters up his will power to drop the One Ring.
Originally posted by relentless1
and you have zero proof that it can't either, all three weapons are laced with magic but can also be used physically, is it really that big a stretch to think?
Mjolnir has plenty of feats to back up any claims in regards to it's power/durability. the mace has zero feats to back up the claims you're making.
IOW, you're just making things up.