Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, she held her own against an enraged Superman. Sure he was mind controlled but he was out for blood.CM/BA fight against heroic Superman. The guy that always holds back lest he seriously injure or kill his opponent.
WW >> BA/CM.
LMAO. Sometimes I think that you stubborn WW supporters have read an alternate secret version of the comic that the rest of us have read. No, bro, she didn't "hold her own". She barely survived against a handicapped Superman. Doesn't matter if he was enraged because he still didn't know who he was fighting. Don't know what kind of world u live in to think that's not a huge handicap.
Wrong. CM once fought an eclipsed Superman for an entire comic. If u think that Superman was "heroic" then you're crazy. He was clearly going all-out and CM was dishing it out just as well as he was taking it. Unlike Diana was doing against a handicapped Superman. Also, the non-holding back Superman that CM fought was not hallucinating either. The Superman that CM fought would've killed Diana in a few panels.
Originally posted by abhilegend
She is just as skilled as Supergirl it seems.
k, there's so much....😑 in these 2 posts that i'll just graze them and continue to post scans.
i did find it hilarious that you called out a cheap shot from hawkman with the mace, given that you showed no less than THREE cheap shots against ww. double standards ftw. 😉 and ba was tired from his battle. that's an entirely different animal from saying he was just 'weakened'. and if you wanna say jay and pg were "one-shotted" that's fine, i could simply state the obvious truth and call ninja law/pis. i guarantee you yourself can think of at least SEVERAL different durability feats from both jay and pg that make those simple shots very obvious team-style pis. o could show a few if you need it. at least be honest and call it what it was. alan obviously wasn't out though (thank god, since the level of pis THAT would have been would have made me vomit), and neither was hawkman.
bottomline--alan+hawkman could have ended him right then and there but CHOSE not to. somehow that is always overlooked.
and....are you actually trying to tell me cap>jonn+wally+ww+kyle+guy?? 😂 dude, i can't deal. but by all means, open the thread if you want. i'll take that challenge on.
as far as luthor's team--your scan is absurd and supports....nothing. it wasn't even a fight. and are you now saying grodd's tp took him out? the rest of them combined couldn't? wtf ARE you saying? lol the scene is NOTHING. there is literally nothing that can be gleaned from that scene. the group showed up, subdued him in a panel or 2 and was done. how you wanna call that a 'feat' for ba is utterly beyond me, but...i'd leave it if i was you.
and where is the scan showing that the thunderclap ko'd pg...? 😕 cuz i don't recall that.
as for the first khyrana scan--don't know what else to tell you. she wasn't ko'd. seriously. she was slammed into the wall by surprise and didn't want to give away her identity. where you get a ko from that i literally have no idea. i would challenge ANYONE to look at those scans and say ww was ko'd when she was sucker punched into that wall..... it simply never happened. ❌
as far as the shards: 😑 there isn't more to say about your interpretation. i've read the book and your....view of the event is.....i don't have words. and your debunking? lol yeah, just cuz you SAY you debunked something, doesn't mean it WAS debunked. c'mon bro....
so, since ba blitzed pg he must be faster? lol cuz a slower person has NEVER blitzed a faster person amirght? ww blitzed pg too.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/7/70790/1766714-pg_vs_ww_4.jpg
therefore it's clear ww is faster. done. 👆
here btw is a great speed feat against amazo:
http://i.imgur.com/4uZO9VL.jpg
your jl scan is ridiculous. who cares if she wasn't shown? lol just more meaningless rhetoric that lends nothing to your case.
here bats says only superman can restrain her:
http://i.imgur.com/vqB4lVF.png
if you're gonna use rhetoric, at least use someone whose opinion might matter. lol
anyway, another strong showing--here, ww defeats a pack of grodd's gorillas who were designed to kill superman. grodd figures if they can beat her they can beat superman:
and it seems you didn't read the genocide/jla scan i put up to show how powerful genocide really was. but here is an even better example of her power when she beats the QUEEN OF FABLES:
go ahead and knock down that feat too. 👆
nice full-nelson scan of supergirl/pg. now show where she used martial arts to apply the hold like ww did. or open a skills thread and we'll compare supergirl and ww. might be funnier than your cap thread you should open. lol
yes, i think the tiara is capable of killing adam or at least harming him greatly. denigrate all you want--deimos was a god, and very powerful. you know it, but to admit it would give credit and you don't like to do that very often....
you did the same thing with the lantern. lol she says he can't be hurt physically. (a) we know that is pure nonsense, and (b) she then proceeds to beat the hell out of him. did she mess with his head a bit? sure, so? you make it sound like any lantern can not be beaten physically or something. again, bottomline: she took him out easily in the end and even stood there and let him pound on her undefended. colour it however you want. she demolished him until she stopped fighting.
anyway, moving on: here ww fights (and catches the FIST of) a circe amped superman:
and here again showing how her skill could come in handy--again against superman:
both are great showings. but...feel free to knock them down too. lol 👆
you are something of an expert in making excuses in these things my friend. tbh i'm not debating you anymore. your opinion is obviously unchangeable. i'm just showing feats. i asked to go feat for feat, but all you did in your last post was make excuses and pick and choose when to call pis and cheap shots.
where are all the FEATS that PROVE ba is "WELL" above her? i'm still waiting. diana's feats against kal, queen of fables, genocide are ALL awesome. adam has....one wanked arc in which jay even says there are people stronger and faster than he is. they were all holding back. you have ninja law/pis. let's see MORE than just the one arc. i still haven't seen a single thing that would lead me to think ba is far above diana at all. she has a god killing weapon, her lasso would be impossible for him to deal with if she got it on him, she has AT LEAST his speed, is far more skilled, has shown ridiculous damage soak and has strength that is damn close to his.
if you think these facts are wrong, prove it. you've done little so far in terms of showing ba. almost all your scans and comments are attempts at LOWBALLING ww. avoid lowballing if you can and stick to your side: FOCUS ON ADAM. i could EASILY lowball but don't want to. this is supposed to be feat-for-feat. let's see if you can stick to it and compare FEATS.
i have no problem with that--she clearly is in need of some respect on the forum--but only if he gets off the lowballing schtick.
abhi, you know i like you (i don't ask just anyone to judge my matches...) but if we stick to the feat-for-feat i'll try and keep it going. the lowballing isn't gonna work for me though....
Originally posted by h1a8
How would BA win if WW is more skilled than him and has the option of ending the fight with the lasso? You guys are not debating at all, but simply going with the stronger and ignoring all other factors.
LOL. I've already addressed this silliness. BA is way too fast and battle savvy for WW to get the lasso around him and her superior skill is useless against someone who is much faster, stronger, and more durable. I swear sometimes it feels like i'm goddamn talking to myself. Can people like u not read properly?
Or perhaps you"re just trolling and enjoy making me repeat myself?
Originally posted by leonidasBut you are not posting scans, you're just reposting links from her reddit respect thread. Good job though.👆
k, there's so much....😑 in these 2 posts that i'll just graze them and continue to post scans.
i did find it hilarious that you called out a cheap shot from hawkman with the mace, given that you showed no less than THREE cheap shots against ww. double standards ftw.Three cheapshots? And Adam wasn't KTFO in any of them.
and ba was tired from his battle. that's an entirely different animal from saying he was just 'weakened'.I'm sorry, what? Alan outright said he was weakening. How does that translate in being just tired?
and if you wanna say jay and pg were "one-shotted" that's fine, i could simply state the obvious truth and call ninja law/pis. i guarantee you yourself can think of at least SEVERAL different durability feats from both jay and pg that make those simple shots very obvious team-style pis.I don't wanna say anything. The comic says it for me. But yeah, everything you can't counter, just call it PIS. Sound tactic.
o could show a few if you need it. at least be honest and call it what it was.A one shot KO?
alan obviously wasn't out though (thank god, since the level of pis THAT would have been would have made me vomit), and neither was hawkman.Alan was beaten too. The whole team was.
bottomline--alan+hawkman could have ended him right then and there but CHOSE not to. somehow that is always overlooked.A weakened Adam. That's why its overlooked.
and....are you actually trying to tell me cap>jonn+wally+ww+kyle+guy?? dude, i can't deal. but by all means, open the thread if you want. i'll take that challenge on.Again, why would anybody want to open a thread? Its all answered in a comic.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/49-underworldunleashed3pg20.jpg
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But hey, aren't you the one who is saying Diana fighting a mindcontrolled, hallucinating Superman a great showing? Here they aren't even mindcontrolled, just bloodlusted due to being corrupted by hell.
as far as luthor's team--your scan is absurd and supports....nothing. it wasn't even a fight.Except it was.
and are you now saying grodd's tp took him out? the rest of them combined couldn't? wtf ARE you saying? lol the scene is NOTHING. there is literally nothing that can be gleaned from that scene. the group showed up, subdued him in a panel or 2 and was done. how you wanna call that a 'feat' for ba is utterly beyond me, but...i'd leave it if i was you.He was seen fighting General, Amazo and Ubermensch all at once before Grodd, Banshee and Psycho Pirate took him out. Did you even read the scan?
and where is the scan showing that the thunderclap ko'd pg...? 😕 cuz i don't recall that.He thunderclapped and returned to talking with his people. PG is either too stunned or koed because she was basically bloodlusted at that point.
as for the first khyrana scan--don't know what else to tell you. she wasn't ko'd.Of course she was. Here Lois outright says it.
http://i.imgur.com/6ML710b.jpg
seriously. she was slammed into the wall by surprise and didn't want to give away her identity. where you get a ko from that i literally have no idea. i would challenge ANYONE to look at those scans and say ww was ko'd when she was sucker punched into that wall..... it simply never happened.Denial just ain't a river in Egypt methink.
as far as the shards: there isn't more to say about your interpretation. i've read the book and your....view of the event is.....i don't have words.Oh, c'mon, do you really think she was outflying the shards at millions of times speed of light and having conversation with Steve Trevor?
and your debunking? lol yeah, just cuz you SAY you debunked something, doesn't mean it WAS debunked. c'mon bro....Of course it does. She never did anything worthwhile in that comic.
so, since ba blitzed pg he must be faster? lol cuz a slower person has NEVER blitzed a faster person amirght?PG herself said Cap was faster than her in JSA 34.
ww blitzed pg too.That's not a blitz in any sense, she just rammed her from Canada at superspeed.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/7/70790/1766714-pg_vs_ww_4.jpg
therefore it's clear ww is faster. done.facepalm
here btw is a great speed feat against amazo:That Amazo didn't even has any speed showings, it was Amazo's mind in a damaged Red Tornado body. Vixen later blitzed and tore it apart.
your jl scan is ridiculous. who cares if she wasn't shown? lol just more meaningless rhetoric that lends nothing to your case.Sure, sure.
here bats says only superman can restrain her:Superman has said that he and Cap are equal in every way too. What does that supposed to mean?
if you're gonna use rhetoric, at least use someone whose opinion might matter. lolLike Superman?
Originally posted by leonidas
and neither adam nor marvel has even come CLOSE to putting superman down for good. with her tiara she effortlessly sliced his throat. notice she didn't attack him as he was grabbing his throat....? notice she said in the fight she was actually holding back? neither cap nor adam ever fought a superman that was truly bloodlusted. even eclipsed superman wasn't close. i've also always found it strange the value people place in the battles against superman. there are too many other ways to gauge them. adam hasn't even BATTLED him in anything resembling a good fight so the superman fight. like i said, i ONLY posted it because it is a fantastic showing for her, not because i wanna make this a ww/superman debate. again.how anyone can look at the characters and not feel they are peers is.....remarkable to me. i can get where someone would favor adam/marvel in a fight. what i can't fathom is how anyone can see this as being a stomp, or how someone might try and say they are a tier apart.
in any event, i'll keep posting stuff though i suspect there will be many who, regardless of what evidence is shown, will never concede the point. as a fan of both characters though, i find it odd, i gotta admit.
Why wouldn't Eclipsed Superman be close? He was clearly trying to kill Billy in both of their fights..
Originally posted by leonidasHaha, what? Now Grodd is a specialist on Superman and a bunch of no named Gorillas can beat Superman? Well, here four horsemen say that Black Adam is actually more powerful than Superman.
anyway, another strong showing--here, ww defeats a pack of grodd's gorillas who were designed to kill superman. grodd figures if they can beat her they can beat superman:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Black%20Adam/blackadamstrongerthansuperman.jpg
Must be right, right?
and it seems you didn't read the genocide/jla scan i put up to show how powerful genocide really was.Let me guess, she beat Red Tornado, suckered John Stewart with lasso and then let out a psychic blast and ran away when the league actually gathered?
but here is an even better example of her power when she beats the QUEEN OF FABLES:That's not actually real if you've actually read the comic. But yeah, just post more scans from Reddit.
go ahead and knock down that feat too.No need to.
nice full-nelson scan of supergirl/pg. now show where she used martial arts to apply the hold like ww did. or open a skills thread and we'll compare supergirl and ww. might be funnier than your cap thread you should open. lolWell, why would it matter if she used skills or not? She incapacitated a full power PG better than WW and without getting beaten up. But tell me again how she is going to beat Adan by placing him in a chokehold.
yes, i think the tiara is capable of killing adam or at least harming him greatly.Haha, GTFO.
denigrate all you want--deimos was a god, and very powerful.Deimos had no feats of power at all. Just because its magical doesn't mean shit to Marvels, they are the most magic resistant heralds out there. ****ing Manhunter (Not J'onn) has blocked it with her leather gloves.
you know it, but to admit it would give credit and you don't like to do that very often....I give credit where its due. Cutting head of a featless god, cutting Superman's skin and getting blocked by Manhunter are the only three times she has used it in a fight in 25 years. But let's pretend she uses it every time in a fight.
you did the same thing with the lantern. lol she says he can't be hurt physically. (a) we know that is pure nonsense, and (b) she then proceeds to beat the hell out of him.She didn't beat the hell out of him, she breached his force field by his own constructs. Let's see her record against Lanterns, shall we? John beat her twice in Rebirth, Kyle oneshotted her in Virtue and Vice, a clone of Guy with his ring oneshotted her and Maxima at once. Should I go on?
did she mess with his head a bit? sure, so? you make it sound like any lantern can not be beaten physically or something. again, bottomline: she took him out easily in the end and even stood there and let him pound on her undefended. colour it however you want. she demolished him until she stopped fightingThat's as far from truth as it can be. She didn't beat him at all, let alone demolished him.
anyway, moving on: here ww fights (and catches the FIST of) a circe amped superman:Are you sure you're not channeling fangirl101 here? Because that's just rubbish. Superman wasn't amped there, she didn't catch his punch and she said she would die in two or three punches by that Superman.
and here again showing how her skill could come in handy--again against superman:That's just a retelling of WW 219.
both are great showings. but...feel free to knock them down too. lol
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you are something of an expert in making excuses in these things my friend. tbh i'm not debating you anymore. your opinion is obviously unchangeable. i'm just showing feats. i asked to go feat for feat, but all you did in your last post was make excuses and pick and choose when to call pis and cheap shots.I didn't say PIS once. I said cheapshots once. Are you sure you're not projecting here?
where are all the FEATS that PROVE ba is "WELL" above her? i'm still waiting. diana's feats against kal, queen of fables, genocide are ALL awesome. adam has....one wanked arc in which jay even says there are people stronger and faster than he is.And who would be stronger than him there? PG? J'onn? He demolished both of them in seconds.
they were all holding back. you have ninja law/pis. let's see MORE than just the one arc. i still haven't seen a single thing that would lead me to think ba is far above diana at all. she has a god killing weapon, her lasso would be impossible for him to deal with if she got it on him, she has AT LEAST his speed, is far more skilled, has shown ridiculous damage soak and has strength that is damn close to his.That's as far from truth as it goes. He has taken JSA apart with his bare hands, fought Captain Marvel to a standstill, fought Superman to a standstill, punched through Spectre, at 1/3rd power taken on JSA and was winning, taken on literally everyone in DC minus Superman and kicked their asses. Its not about wanked arcs, he is just that damn powerful. But yeah, lets call everything Adam does PIS and wanked and warp the shit out of everything Wonder Woman has done.
if you think these facts are wrong, prove it. you've done little so far in terms of showing ba.I've shown you his feats. You just handwaved the away as PIS and ninja law.
almost all your scans and comments are attempts at LOWBALLING ww. avoid lowballing if you can and stick to your side: FOCUS ON ADAM. i could EASILY lowball but don't want to. this is supposed to be feat-for-feat. let's see if you can stick to it and compare FEATS.Lets see all those low showings from Adam which you claim there are. Flash facts: wonder woman had the worst record against heralds than any top tier character I can think of. She doesn't has a single genuine win against a Superman level character. Heck, she doesn't has a genuine win against Power Girl level character. Lanterns, Martians, Etrigan, Marvels, kryptonians etc all have a winning record against her.
*sigh*...People are still using the tiara incident in Sacrifice as proof of something? LOL. Yeah, I'm convinced now that many in the Diana camp have a reading comprehension problem. I covered that too in an earlier post and yet the retarded WW supporters keep bringing it up like it actually proves anything. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with them anymore since what I say just goes in one ear and out the other and I'm not going to bother repeating what I explained about the tiara incident either. Oh, and LOL at anyone who thinks that the Supes from Sacrifice was superior to the eclipsed Supes that CM went toe-to-toe with for an entire comic. I guess ignorance is bliss though. LMFAO.
Black Adam 10/10.
Originally posted by Star428
*sigh*...People are still using the tiara incident in Sacrifice as proof of something? LOL. Yeah, I'm convinced now that many in the Diana camp have a reading comprehension problem. I covered that too in an earlier post and yet the retarded WW supporters keep bringing it up like it actually proves anything. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with them anymore since what I say just goes in one ear and out the other and I'm not going to bother repeating what I explained about the tiara incident either. Oh, and LOL at anyone who thinks that the Supes from Sacrifice was superior to the eclipsed Supes that CM went toe-to-toe with for an entire comic. I guess ignorance is bliss though. LMFAO.
Don't bash people. You want to lowball, there are other forums for that.
As for anyone else in this thread, you might not know this, but it's Bada's birthday today. Who's to say a banning wouldn't help make it a brighter one?
Originally posted by Star428what does his speed have to do with her lassoing him after she stuns him with a hit? He will get stunned for a second or two and she lassos him in a millisecond. Do you even read my posts?
LOL. I've already addressed this silliness. BA is way too fast and battle savvy for WW to get the lasso around him and her superior skill is useless against someone who is much faster, stronger, and more durable. I swear sometimes it feels like i'm goddamn talking to myself. Can people like u not read properly?
Or perhaps you"re just trolling and enjoy making me repeat myself?
Prove that BA is faster than her. He never even shown ftl reflexes before.
