Black Adam Vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by abhilegend

Son of Vulcan informs us that he was weakening as Roman gods mindcontrolled him.

👆 but it also says the spell didn't lessen until the conflict began. they threw what? 3 shots? the fight was too short to matter much. you really think he was weakened in that brief exchange? maybe, but i can't imagine it was much. good find though....

You mean she needs to distract him and pull the ring off to get a win against Kyle? Whoa, that's like Batman level.

good speed feat. 👆

A nuke would also have killed her in JLA 56. Funny how that works.

funny how in dark age it took ba like, 3 page to beat hawkman, but he one shots alan and pg in ww3. 😐 that's what i've been trying to say this whole time.

Like who? Even Iron Man has tanked nukes. Superman pretty much laughs at nukes.

now you gotta lowball a nuke tanking? 😂 supes was ko'd by a gas station. ww's durability>>>superman's. nwoot

No, it isn't. No matter how much you want to deny it, Marvels have shown themselves a level above her preboot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Diana 6/10. Marvel's trump card by which he usualy stalemates holding back superman MAGIC is useless against diana and his only energy attack shazam bolts are negated by bracelets. The diffrence is that most of his punches would get blocked with zero harm by bracelets while he would have to absorb her shots by his body. Add lasso and diana takes majority.

excellent, glad we agree. 👆

anyway, this has not been the kind of feat-for-feat comparison i was looking for. i'm not into lowballing, you are, so this won't work. i will continue to post some wonder woman scans though, and some adam ones as i come across them. i'd invite the discussion, but for the love of gawd, stop with the lowballing and the picking and choosing--please!

Originally posted by leonidas
also depowered him in virtue and vice iirc. i'll find it when i get a chance.....

oops, that WAS the v&v scan. lol it happened somewhere else as well, will find and post if i can.

Leo, Adam wasn't using his normal power source in Dark Ages. He was tapping off Isis, and was trying to limit himself as much as possible so he wouldn't drain her dry and be unable to revive her.

Originally posted by cdtm
Leo, Adam wasn't using his normal power source in Dark Ages. He was tapping off Isis, and was trying to limit himself as much as possible so he wouldn't drain her dry and be unable to revive her.

k, fair enuff. i have it, but haven't read it since it came out. just recalled the fight. i'll double check the facts but glad you pointed it out. 👆

btw--props for trying to follow this farce. 😂

Anyways, I don't buy the Marvels only being on Supes level on account of magic. If that was the case, their standing should fall somewhat relative to other characters, instead of being treated as the strongest guy on a team with, say, Martian Manhunter, or being able to brawl with Lobo

i don't buy it either. they ARE as close to supes as you can get in dc. which is why i said adam would win the majority, only the majority would be slight.

Originally posted by cdtm
Anyways, I don't buy the Marvels only being on Supes level on account of magic. If that was the case, their standing should fall somewhat relative to other characters, instead of being treated as the strongest guy on a team with, say, Martian Manhunter, or being able to brawl with Lobo

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't buy it either. they ARE as close to supes as you can get in dc. which is why i said adam would win the majority, only the majority would be slight.

Prereboot Adam is superior to Superman. More ruthless and magical powers. Teth beats him like he beats Wonderwoman.

Originally posted by zopzop
LOL, go check out the Ownage Thread. The Marvels are NOT Superman's peers.

i agree they don't have the feats he does (and the nu marvels certainly are not) but speaking historically, at least when they square off, the marvels really are very close to superman. but i think ww is as well...

a couple more scans--that genocide fight i posted really was a great fight btw. i do find it funny again that genocide owned the jla in that fight but somehow THAT doesn't matter. 😂

anyway, i couple more demonstrations of the effectiveness of her tiara:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara1.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara2.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara3.jpg.html

i also thought these were cool. not really power, but respect. i love when these guys were too afraid to even ATTEMPT to fight her 😂

felix faust and shrapnel. both have their share of good feats in their histories:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/fausts%20fear.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/shrapnels%20fear.jpg.html

ironic too that PHOBIA (and the rest of the fearsome 5) were too afraid to even try attacking her when she was distracted. lol

i'm gonna try and add more stuff. like i said, she seems to get disrespected. maybe when i get around to it, i'll post in the respect thread. this has given me reason to go back and reread some old stuff i have still hanging around and some reason to dl some new stuff. i really like both these characters, but it does make me shake my head that anyone thinks they aren't very close in almost every way. to be continued.....

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree they don't have the feats he does (and the nu marvels certainly are not) but speaking historically, at least when they square off, the marvels really are very close to superman. but i think ww is as well...

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you see the Ownage thread? CM, with help, got crushed by SM. Literally crushed.

You might as well start using full What If and Elseworlds characters for your comparisons. Alt Thor killed alt Hulk in a What If once. Hulk is no match.

Zop knows this. When he wants to be, Zop can be a great debater. He is just trying to get to people.

Originally posted by carver9
Zop knows this. When he wants to be, Zop can be a great debater. He is just trying to get to people.

May as well use Injustice Superman!

That's almost as bad as using the example of Captain Marvel being called faster then Superman due to magic in Justice. Or posting Kingdom Come scans.

As opposed to this totally canon for the time fight between Pre Crisis Superman and Captain Marvel.

Yes sir, a clean win, no bullshit, in continuity. And I'm not leaving anything out or trying to snow anyone, take my word for it. 💃

well, that would be refreshing in this thread... 😂

Originally posted by cdtm
May as well use Injustice Superman!

That's almost as bad as using the example of Captain Marvel being called faster then Superman due to magic in Justice. Or posting Kingdom Come scans.

As opposed to this totally canon for the time fight between Pre Crisis Superman and Captain Marvel.

Yes sir, a clean win, no bullshit, in continuity. And I'm not leaving anything out or trying to snow anyone, take my word for it. 💃

😬

Originally posted by leonidas
and i got download limits, so....

are you actually aware of the [b]FULL CAPACITY RULE our little forum has? nowm you've completely ducked the question twice, let me rephrase--do you think in the scene you showed alan and PG both fought to their full capacity...?

lol first, explain WHY adam was weakened....? alan was 'nearly beaten'. but i'm sure that means he was what, 100%? hawkman was being choked out? also full strength, yes? this line is pointless.

ignoring, no. making excuses, of course. and most importantly--i never once ignored your scan.

it's a good feat for marvel, no doubt. your conclusion is moronic. THAT is what i take issue with. suddenly, because of that scan, marvel can now beat the sh!t out of ww, kyle, flash, et al., ALTOGETHER.

i've said, open the thread, see how long it stays open before it is closed as spite! it would be almost immediately. why? because if each fought to full capacity they would SLAUGHTER marvel as a unit, that is why. those kinds of scenes happen all the time.

deathstroke beat the jla. batman has wrecked the jla.

hal has demolished them.

you showed john stewart lol taking them all out. prometheus has wrecked them.

your marvel scene is just one in a long line of those types of scenes. cool, impressive but NOT what you're making of it. not even close.

jeezus, still? i didn't even notice that tiny bit of psycho pirate the first time. but...who f'n cares?

so he was kidnapped and beaten by pp. wtf are you even trying to get at? open a thread and throw all those guys against adam and see what happens. again. you won't, of course, because you KNOW what would happen. just leave it alone. it does not help you.....

[quote[so....she wasn't ko'd she was....surrounded by people who were concerned about her because they thought she was a regular human? i agree.[/quote] Nope, she was koed as Lois put it. Nowhere was it mentioned that she was just lying there. Khyranna wrecked her with just a punch later too. I see you've ignored that too.

seriously, i'm starting to lose faith in you. people DID surround her. lol to see if she was ok. lois quickly made up an excuse to explain the smashed wall! why? because they didn't want anyone to know she was ww! c'mon bro....your interpretation is staggering.

lol double standard much? but it's perfectly consistent for alan to be ko'd by a partial blow, pg to be put out by a single slam, marvel to beat a combined. you must be trolling me a little bit with this sh!t....

lol again, who cares? maybe it was a good feat. we don't know because we have no idea how adam got behind him, we have no idea the level of that amazo. it looks cool, but you are the only one who would ever use that type of showing and leap to the conclusions you are.

actually it was you who started with the double standards, lowballing and misleading interpretations of scans i'm afraid.... i was pm'd and urged to report you for lowballing! lol i didn't but some of what you've said is utterly ridiculous....

aw, don't be like that. 😄 [/B]

Originally posted by leonidas
too much nonsense to reply to, so i'll hit the highlights:

i think i'm finally beginning to understand your problem. you are confusing someone getting hit through...something (building, window, etc...) with someone being one shot. so, guy lashed out and smacked them away. [b]that doesn't mean they were one-shot ko'd!

At least read the scans man.

where is the scan that PROVES they were knocked out? like pg's sucker punch was a "one-shot" but we see diana reaching through the rubble? like khyrana's one-shot that was never a ko? i mean, this is just asinine. even forgetting about the fact that it was a sucker shot as they tried talking him down! holy sh!t bro....

But Guy blasting her in the face is a sucker attack. Right.

lol more rhetoric?

cuz doubling in size and gaining spikes that act as unbreakable spears is a downgrade amiright? lol

SHE CAUGHT HIS LEFT HAND THAT WAS READY TO HIT HER.

the spike was actually DRIVEN THROUGH HER HAND. but she STILL caught it! geezus, you can SEE the impact from the motion lines drawn.

you really will reach for anything once cornered, eh? i can't believe you say handwave that away and yet support that pg scan. unbelievable...

lol who cares who he was talking about? my point is, you pick and choose which narration and character-speak to use, based on which ones SUPPORT your character, but as soon as a character says something to support the OTHER side, you whine about it.

so, yeah, jay is reliable, but jonn isn't, nor is batman. and especially impressive is the fact that sometimes you use only PART of what is said by the SAME CHARACTER--ie--POWERGIRL who seems to say she marvel is faster but she is stronger. but you only believe the first part, not the second. but if she's wrong about the second, she should/could be wrong about the first. you're turning misrepresentation into an art form.

the only thing i wave away is your misrepresentation of the scans, not the scans themselves. nor do i try and make more from the scans than they offer. as you do.

ANY fight. something new where he went 1on1 against a top tier guy.

the point was to show and compare scans.

way to miss the point. the lasso has already been a factor:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/73552/2174183-wwlasso_1.jpg

also depowered him in virtue and vice iirc. i'll find it when i get a chance.....

😂

nope, but her skill would def allow her to wrap him up in it for some wins. [/B]

Originally posted by leonidas
👆 but it also says the spell didn't lessen until the conflict began. they threw what? 3 shots? the fight was too short to matter much. you really think he was weakened in that brief exchange? maybe, but i can't imagine it was much. good find though....

anyway, this has not been the kind of feat-for-feat comparison i was looking for. i'm not into lowballing, you are, so this won't work. i will continue to post some wonder woman scans though, and some adam ones as i come across them. i'd invite the discussion, but for the love of gawd, stop with the lowballing and the picking and choosing--please!

most of this is nonsensical at this point:

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, pointless because apparently we can know better than characters themselves that somebody was weakened just because we don't like it. Ask Geoff Johns why he was weakened.

so we just take ALL character narration, right? so PG is stronger than cap and ww is the only person who can stop superman. excellent. or....do we only take SOME narration and character speak....? 😖hifty: or maybe, better yet, is adam the only one who gets tired from fighting?

Not you apparently. Why are you acting like threads on this forum actually trump comics? Is that counter for everything you can't argue against? Open a thread here?

well, if you actually believe they were all fighting to full capacity you wouldn't have a problem opening a thread. so, go ahead.

Not as much as yours. Even if we take your interpretation, Khyranna wrecked her with a punch later with just a portion of Superma's powers.

lol no she didn't 'wreck' her. she hit her. and? let's see i showed diana TANKING a nuke, handling getting hit from the sun to the earth, striking the earth at apparently FTL speeds by a bloodlusted superman with only a flash ko, and here she is hit ACROSS CONTINENTS by zoom:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27503/514667-wonder_woman_v2_214___10.jpg

and of course since characters know best, zoom hits harder than superman. 👆

and here she totally tanks being hit TO CANADA by karen:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/canada.jpg.html

which was followed by this blitz--from canada:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/canada2.jpg.html

so, yeah, assuming she gets hit by a girl with some of supes' strength and is 'ko'd' IS LOWBALLING. since you seem so unsure....

Tell me where did I lowball.

🙂

anyway, show scans where people aren't holding back, where they fight near their capacity and you won't have issues.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here John blasts everyone.

Wonder Woman is nowhere to be seen. Later when she gets up we see her fighting him and then John comes to fight Ganthet. Where was she? Just sleeping around?

now i KNOW you're trolling me..... lol you see them blasted...and? my gawd this is too absurd to be believed. i literally can't deal. you assume because the book focused on flash and superman getting taken out that all the others MUST have been totally ko'd? LOL bodies? proof? just because the book focused on flash for a panel doesn't mean she was ko'd. jeezus h man, gtfo of here with this nonsense already....ffs your own scans shows that she was fighting JUST AFTER SUPES WAS BLINDED. must have been the shortest "ko" in history. holy ****.....

She was koed just like everyone else and that's why Alan had to step in to stop Kyle. The next we see her is like after dozen pages.

proof? where's her body? you make the most unsupported/asinine assumptions i've seen here in a long time my friend. not sure why you're going to such lengths but it is ridiculous. your proof she was ko'd was not that she was actually SHOWN to be ko'd but that we didn't see her for a while? gtfo with that crap...

What? Guy flat out said that he is the only one standing after that and he took down entire JLA.

except show the next page maybe? any bodies? and regardless, you are STILL consistently lowballing. again and again with the same sh!t....

PG didn't catch her fist downing on her from a few inches. I've literally posted every panel on that scene. Its not a punch catch. People who catch punches don't fear that their arms would be snapped off.

lulz that is too stupid of an interpretation to comment on.

Do I? Tell me where.

you've already discounted jonn and batman's talk. you've accepted only half of pg's. are you....feeling unwell...? I'm sure you disagree with diana who despite being hit several times by kal says zoom does more damage….. 😕

Of course you do. Like how PG and Alan were magically weakened or how Cap beating JLA doesn't matter.

so...why was adam weakened again...?

Like Superman? J'onn? Captain Marvel? John Stewart? Guy Gardner? Firestorm? Kyle Rayner?

show some good, solid 1 on 1 fights. where his opponent fights at something like close to full capacity. i've been waiting for a long while now....

Which you failed to do spectacularly I might add.

lol cuz your posts have been littered with scans to help your cause amiright? you haven't posted a new adam scan practically since the first post. lol all you've done is lowball diana the vast majority of the time and try and pass it off as if you HAVEN'T. transparent is transparent bra.

You mean by Green Arrow? Because he just knocked out wonder woman with a lightning blast one page earlier. Seems like she doesn't know her own power.

as has been the norm in this discussion, you missed the point--she already wrapped marvel in the rope once anyway. point is the rope could turn him. and lol at yet one more "ko" that is in no way at all supported.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman was koed by a tree falling on her head once. But are you trying to compare Superman and Wonder Woman in durability?

no, no, you don't lowball at all. blowup

😆

i seriously can't "debate" you on this topic anymore. just be happy a mod hasn't dropped by. i KNOW none of them would be thrilled with the way you've handled yourself in this thread. you consistently show scans that are utterly unsupported by anything more than your completely biased assumptions (no ko's shown, no unconscious bodies, just assumptions). you consistently misrepresent scans (who in their right mind would say ww did NOT catch supes' fist?? the spike was driven through her hand ffs...) you consistently show scans where opponents are CLEARLY not fighting at full capacity (pg and alan and ww, obviously). you consistently lowball (diana gets knocked out by trees. 😂 she gets "one-shot" by casual hits from a gl...) yet handles a gl beating on her because she allowed it, she handles getting hit across countries, continents and even the solar system, while laughing off nukes and beating foes like genocide, who, incidentally ALSO wrecked the jla--which you ignore. brilliant m'man. you utterly, AGAIN, dodged my direct question: were PG and alan fighting at full capacity against ba? i mean it's a simple question.... yet you know you can't answer honestly because it would COMPLETELY undermine every scan you posted--MOST OF WHICH WERE ATTEMPTS AT LOWBALLING WW! you've barely shown any adam scans in 4 pages. lol so yeah, you can reply to this, but i'm done discussing this with you.

the ww3 arc was a very good one for adam. obviously. but if you think everyone in that arc fought against him at full capacity, then you really are delusional. that's why you won't open threads that seem so obviously answered in your head--none of the other adam backers will do it either, so don't go feeling all lonely. the reason you, nor they, will do so is obvious--because your threads would be laughed at then closed for spite. full capacity in the forum bro. no jobbing. my challenge was simple--you show ba scans, i show ww scans and we compare fairly. all you did was focus on lowballing ww time and time again.

i'll continue to show ww scans when i get a chance, but you've clearly lost your ability to be objective and/or honest in this thread for some reason, so i'll bid you good day sir. i did have fun though. 😄

Now lets be honest, if he has no s on its chest, abhi will lowball.