Black Adam Vs Wonder Woman

Started by h1a821 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, no. Adam has strength, speed and durability advantages here. She can win a few by lasso but her tiara is useless here.

Adam is as magic resistant as they come. Add in some god tier damage soak which is far beyond her (WWIII anybody) and I don't see why anybody would call her a winner here.

Prove that BA is faster in combat. Show his reflex and limb movement speed. Don't show traveling speed feats since those don't translate into reflex and limb movement speed. For example, I can achieve 100x lightspeed in 1 hr by merely accelerating 481mi/s^2. With that same acceleration I can achieve about 1,730,000mph speed in one second. But Diana can move her limbs ftl. Light speed is 670,615,200mph. This is is over 370times faster.
I say they are peers in combat speed unless you can prove he is faster. I'll accept any reasonable proof. So her lassoing him after a good hit isn't viable? She has that option anywhere during the fight. Plus her skills will give her a larger hit ratio over him.

Originally posted by leonidas
strength yes, durability, probably (though i separate invulnerability from damage soak which i think are extremely close). but we've gone over that.

not sure why you're so sure the tiara would be useless though. it even sliced open genocide with ease. here is a little of what she was designed for:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/geno1.jpg.html

and here the tiara slices her easily, (and it cuts her again later in their second fight):

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/geno2.jpg.html

so, yeah, i absolutely think it could cut adam. slice his head off? maybe not. be a significant weapon in cqc? i don't see how you could think otherwise. it could easily act as a dagger/knife to solid effect.

and regardless--let's even assume you are right. it doesn't matter that much since the differences aren't that large and her wins won't come from punching him out, but by taking some punishment, getting in close, then using her skill and weapons to incapacitate him. in his wins his physical power will be the decisive tool--she has other tools.


Why would her damage soak be near him? Her damage soak is pretty low in comparison to most top tiers. The only one lower would be j'onn IMO. Adam is a beast in damage soak. There is no comparison at all.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the tiara cutting up Genocide. Genocide was simply Wonder Woman's corpse reanimated. She has the same cutting resistance as wonder woman which even you would agree that it's pathetic.

It's not as sharp as you think.

Http://i.imgur.com/odQErAs.jpg

Http://i.imgur.com/VFS2Nob.jpg

I gave her 3/10 because of the lasso. But to think she can beat him for more than that by lasso only is rather funny. She doesn't fights like that.

Hasn't Donna Troy had some pretty tough fights with Wonder Woman too?

*insert WW3 or Mary Marvel beating the shit out of her and Kyle easily*

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Hasn't Donna Troy had some pretty tough fights with Wonder Woman too?

Donna Troy droolio

*insert WW3 or Mary Marvel beating the shit out of her and Kyle easily*

Wasn't Mary amped at the time?

Heck, Wonder Girl from future knocked her out. Starfire was choking her out.

Not to mention Starfire having a lengthy fight with her. She tried that with Superman in the very same issue, he didn't even felt her attack.

Originally posted by zopzop

Donna Troy droolio

Wasn't Mary amped at the time? [/B]

No. Darkseid just gave her back the power or so he said.

In fact she completely failed to do anything to Black Adam with a massive cheapshot and he found her so worthless he just flew away.

Unless you mean she was amped with Black Adam's power, then yeah. But that's sort of the point.

Black Adam also gave her his power on top of what she already had. She was amped.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would her damage soak be near him? Her damage soak is pretty low in comparison to most top tiers. The only one lower would be j'onn IMO. Adam is a beast in damage soak. There is no comparison at all.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the tiara cutting up Genocide. Genocide was simply Wonder Woman's corpse reanimated. She has the same cutting resistance as wonder woman which even you would agree that it's pathetic.

It's not as sharp as you think.

Http://i.imgur.com/odQErAs.jpg

Http://i.imgur.com/VFS2Nob.jpg

I gave her 3/10 because of the lasso. But to think she can beat him for more than that by lasso only is rather funny. She doesn't fights like that.

she does fight like that. She has lassoed or attempted to lasso a bazillion times. It's one of her main tactics. I'm not saying that she begins the fight trying to lasso but somewhere during the fight if she is not doing well then she has the option.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would her damage soak be near him? Her damage soak is pretty low in comparison to most top tiers. The only one lower would be j'onn IMO. Adam is a beast in damage soak. There is no comparison at all.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the tiara cutting up Genocide. Genocide was simply Wonder Woman's corpse reanimated. She has the same cutting resistance as wonder woman which even you would agree that it's pathetic.

It's not as sharp as you think.

Http://i.imgur.com/odQErAs.jpg

Http://i.imgur.com/VFS2Nob.jpg

I gave her 3/10 because of the lasso. But to think she can beat him for more than that by lasso only is rather funny. She doesn't fights like that.

You're low bawling is officially over 9000.

I like the fact that you post the scan of her tiara not being too sharp all out of context.

Diana wasn't trying to kill her genius.

But you'll nitpick what to use to serve you're agenda. She even claimed Diana's as fast as the flash. I guess we'll just overlook that part.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're low bawling is officially over 9000.

I like the fact that you post the scan of her tiara not being too sharp all out of context.

Diana wasn't trying to kill her genius.

But you'll nitpick what to use to serve you're agenda. She even claimed Diana's as fast as the flash. I guess we'll just overlook that part.


I like where her unwillingness to kill Manhunter suddenly blunted the sharpness of her tiara. She didn't threw it with full force but if the tiara was so sharp to cut someone like Adam, it would've cut Manhunter in half.

Well, she is not as fast as Flash. Flash Fact.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're low bawling is officially over 9000.

I like the fact that you post the scan of her tiara not being too sharp all out of context.

Diana wasn't trying to kill her genius.

But you'll nitpick what to use to serve you're agenda. She even claimed Diana's as fast as the flash. I guess we'll just overlook that part.

👆

Good showing for Wonder Woman. As fast as Flash. Crazy ft.

Lulz. Manhunter wasn't even sure if she flies or rides wind currents. It's fair to say she isn't an authority on anybody.

Not to mention it was almost as fast as Flash. If you're going to hype something, at least read it first.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
...And speaking of the JSA, here is him overpowering Billy, and KO'ing Hawkgirl, Atom Smasher and winding Billy really quickly.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-007.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-008.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-009.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-010.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-012.jpg.html

As well as Dr Fate literally running away from Black Adam and the only way to defeat him was to go back in time and screw with his magic.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00008.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00009.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00010.jpg.html

Who was actually weakened with a tumor at the time:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00021.jpg.html

Adam has always been a teambuster. In fact the scan that keeps getting questioned where he holds off Amazo, Ubermensch, and the General has him knocking all three around and getting put down by Grodd, Silver Banshee and Pyscho purate. As much as that is being played as a non issue, how likely is it that Wonder Woman would be knocking those three around when they tried to jump her unexpected like? That would end in a rape.

The Amazo that Adam tore the head off KO'ed op Firestorm (albeit a sucker shot). And Adam and him were facing off and next you know his head's gone.
However, that's not all. When Batman saw a lower level model he assumed it had all 7 powers because that's what Amazo has.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/batman%20637%202005%20page%2005.jpg

However, he realized it was a prototype or older level model because it didn't have Plastic Man's power, and he thought it was stripped down because it didn't have a gl ring or WW's lasso.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/batman%20637%202005%20page%2008.jpg

IE, the Amazo Black Adam killed was your basic Amazo you see in comics with an Amazo body built to be Amazo. There should be no difference in power unless any additional powers are absorbed. Because that's his base.
It's not like he was using Red Tornado's body as a housing for himself or anything...
As well as if we accept a random no feat God who only got decapitated by WW, then I don't understand why we wouldn't accept him as being Amazo level considering he is Amazo.

Since it appears that Billy is heavily thrown in this as well, let's look at some unmatchable feats from him.

Walking through a 5d Thunderbolt's power unleashed.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-22.jpg

Then there's Billy who was able to have an extended fight with Spectre. It could be assumed the last three scans are of her adding her power to his, but it could also be assumed that she just accomplished it when she said it. Either way, it only seems to be her giving him energy at the time.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0221.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0222.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0302.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0303-04.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-15.jpg

And going back to Black Adam, here he is beating Billy with Shazam the Wizard's power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA16.jpg

And in a severe weakened state due to sharing his power with Billy, Mary and Isis, he kicks the absolute shit out of Power Girl and Alan Scott
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/11-1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/12-1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/03.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/04.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/05.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/06.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/11.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/14.jpg

So I have my doubts Power Girl is anywhere near as strong as Black Adam.

And speaking of Spectre:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam10.jpg

But Black Adam also survived and escaped from an off panel fight with Spectre as well before that. As evidenced by the damage on his costume.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00011.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00016.jpg.html

Proof it was Spectre:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00005.jpg.html

He also broke Eclipso's neck pretty handily here too (though she got up later due to healing factor)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV17.jpg

There are other things to bring up. Like him surviving a lengthy off panel fight with Onimar Synn while the latter was shown hitting Black Adam with the Claw of Horus. Other fights with Billy. Billy's fights with Superman where it's actually matching the power as opposed to using tactics to survive (in Wonder Woman's case). Etc.
And that will be all to clear up a little bit of the confusion I see here.
Carry on with your things.

all righty, sorry took so long to get back to this. tourney and other stuff. anyway, i'm not really going to get into interpretations of some of the scans. i disagree a little with a couple things, but i basically just wanted to get some comparison going to see if i can match up with some stuff that i was able to find.

continued.....

Originally posted by leonidas
all righty, sorry took so long to get back to this. tourney and other stuff. anyway, i'm not really going to get into interpretations of some of the scans. i disagree a little with a couple things, but i basically just wanted to get some comparison going to see if i can match up with some stuff that i was able to find.

continued.....

You assume I care or ever cared.

I just wanted to throw those out there because of the wrongness of some assumptions of his feats and capabilities. All the confusion.

DCNU Wonder Woman would either pull a split or small majority.

all righty, sorry took so long to get back to this. tourney and other stuff. anyway, i'm not really going to get into interpretations of some of the scans. i disagree a little with a couple things, but i basically just wanted to get some comparison going to see if i can match up with some stuff that i was able to find.

the power girl stuff was cool, but also serves to illustrate why i had an issue with her being put down so casually in a team setting against adam. i was hoping for more 1 on 1 stuff since i find that when strong characters are placed in team settings, they don't always perform up to their full capacity. you just have to look at thor in the avengers to get what i'm saying.

so, i'll share a little of what i found and try and further shore up some of the things i was saying earlier and ways that she could give adam problems. there simply aren't any examples of her tackling a team the way adam does. she's a pacifist above all things (in pre dcnu) and just doesn't fight good guys very often (excepting superman it seems) and almost never going all out or to a satisfactory conclusion. that said, here are a couple of her better 1 on 1 battles. everyone has seen what the MALE CHEETAH did to superman:

http://imgur.com/a/5Cj9P

well, here, diana takes on TWO of them:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20cheetahs1.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20cheetahs2.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20cheetahs3.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20cheetahs4.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20cheetahs6.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20cheetahs7.jpg.html

i'd certainly put that performance at least on par with the scans you showed of adam taking out atom smasher and hawkgirl...

and another one of her better feats: taking out circe in straight 1 on 1 battle:

anyone familiar at all with wonder woman and dc in general should know how powerful circe is. she has some crazy feats--and i'm not even talking about the war of the gods stuff which was ridiculous. hiding themiscyra in a different time and dimension for example...there's tons to show how uber she really is. so, i'd say that performance (a definitive victory) was at least as impressive as the fate scan you showed where fate....ran away. i'd put that on par with adam beating marvel with the wizard's power as well, especially given that we've seen NORMAL cap do MUCH better than that....

i'll not get into the scan where adam is...knocking around the general and the others. pretty sure we're simply gonna agree to disagree on just how useful that scan is. same with the amazo scan. for the purposes of this, i was hoping for more....substantial battle scenes.

but here is another very cool showing imo. normally parademons aren't considered much more than fodder and i wouldn't much care about them, but the sheer number here, and seeing her cut lose, as well as darkseid's reactions, make this worth showing imo:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20parademons1.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20parademons2.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/v%20parademons3.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/darkseids%20apraisal.jpg.html

i just...can't agree with the idea that one shockwave means he 'beat the sh!t' out of pg and alan though. they scuffled briefly in that dimension before that, but again that was completely inconclusive imo. after that thunderclap both were immediately up, alan even had a shield up. diana's blind performance in a training session against the jla is on par with that thunderclap imo. good durability feat taking the hv though, no doubt. 👆

but i'd mentioned damage soak and durability with diana:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/damage%20soak1.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/damage%20soak2.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/damage%20soak3.jpg.html

there is another battle she waged blindfolded against the original medousa which is crazy and really highlights her damage soak ability as well, but i'll post it later.

you mentioned cap walking through imp power, well, here diana defends against quantum zealot's power--the ones who tear apart imps:

http://imgur.com/a/728MC

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2344002

and here she defends against nekron's power:

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2343996

and of course the collective power of the pantheon:

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2343999

the above is a pretty crazy strength and durability feat....

the spectre battle is tough to gauge, you are correct. that showing is hard to match for a couple reasons. spectre has so many weird showings. he goes from battle michael, to slugging it out with cm. not sure i have anything to really match it. i could post her battle against ares. i'll think some more on that one....superman's never done that, so that is an understandably difficult feat to match. even if he was amped.

the eclipso scene was ok, but i think the genocide fight i already showed is much more impressive than that scene, least imo.

i also showed how effective the tiara could be, but here again:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara%20caduceus.jpg.html

it penetrated the caduceus of hermes himself--and hermes was pretty damn happy that the spell that caused them to fight clouded her aim. and hermes has some VERY GOOD feats. it's pretty clear that she could have killed hermes, exactly the way she killed deimos (who came back btw, and isn't as featless as you might think....)

so, yeah, i def think the tiara could be an issue--especially as he wouldn't really be expecting it. coupled with her skill (which i can further highlight is needed) lasso, and speed, imo she can definitely give him hell and make each fight close. very close.

she does have some lower showings, but there have been so many times in her history where she was de-powered for one reason or another as well, that her low showings need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. but i'm not looking to lowball. i just want to see some of adam's better 1 on 1 match ups--if not his, then billy's would be fine. got lots more i can post, but this should be a decent starting point i hope.

lol i'm an idiot. copy/pasted the wrong links. sorry for f'ing up the page! 😮

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You assume I care or ever cared.

I just wanted to throw those out there because of the wrongness of some assumptions of his feats and capabilities. All the confusion.

🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
🙁
And now we have two seperate posts for abhi to continue. One is ammo, one is a target.

Should be fun imo.

also I don't know why you had to explode scans, page ruiner

nope, not looking to have a second go round with abhi on this topic ima afraid. i still like the guy, but i know clearly where he stands and i'll not be repeating any of that previous nonsense again. once was plenty. i may throw up some more scans later on, just because i dug some up, but other than that, i'm fine letting this thread die. 👆