Black Adam Vs Wonder Woman

Started by leonidas21 pages

anywho, just a couple more. here is yet ANOTHER time she has used the tiara for a weapon. that's so 4 times inside of about 20 issues or so--so much for twice in 25 years..... lol

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara4.jpg.html

the tiara and lasso would be problem enough for adam given her comparable speed, strength and her skill advantage, but i think this power could be the biggest obstacle for adam. her bracers can also be used to generate the power of zeus in the form of lightning blasts:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara4.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bracer%20lightning2.jpg.html

and that was pele, an uber powerful goddess as described here:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/pele.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bracer%20lightning3.jpg.html

that last feat is ridiculous too, given that the creature was cottus, basically the dark heart of themyscira, one of the haekatonchieres.

i wonder what that lightning would do to adam? could it force a change? maybe not, not sure, but it would be very interesting, and given that it is ZEUS's lightning, adam sure as sh!t wouldn't just shrug it off.....

there is more, but i think i'll stop for now. anyone who look at this match objectively can't help but come to the conclusion that this is a very close match. each fight would be brutal and close and there is no way anyone is taking a solid majority over the other imo.

peace! 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
most of this is nonsensical at this point:
Right. No out of context scans or information from you, right?

so we just take ALL character narration, right?
Do you want to? Because I can post a lot of them about Marvels being equal to Superman.
so PG is stronger than cap and ww is the only person who can stop superman. excellent. or....do we only take SOME narration and character speak....?
And Cap is the only one equal to Superman and the logical choice to take down Superman as per Batman.
or maybe, better yet, is adam the only one who gets tired from fighting?
The term is weakened.

well, if you actually believe they were all fighting to full capacity you wouldn't have a problem opening a thread. so, go ahead.
Who said that? But a thread here doesn't overrules what happens in a comic.

lol no she didn't 'wreck' her. she hit her. and?
Wonder Woman was too stunned to fight back with one punch.
let's see i showed diana TANKING a nuke, handling getting hit from the sun to the earth, striking the earth at apparently FTL speeds by a bloodlusted superman with only a flash ko, and here she is hit ACROSS CONTINENTS by zoom:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27503/514667-wonder_woman_v2_214___10.jpg

and of course since characters know best, zoom hits harder than superman.

Even though Superman oneshotted her from Sun to Earth under the same writer. But if you're talking about getting hit by Zoom across continents or something is so much better, Flash must be super duper ultra durable. He was taking Zoom's attacks much better after all.

But yeah, getting your shit kicked out of you isn't much of a feat.

and here she totally tanks being hit TO CANADA by karen:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/canada.jpg.html

PG has gone all out against Adam, he beat her like a red headed step child. No need for fancy skills.

which was followed by this blitz--from canada:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/canada2.jpg.html

😬

so, yeah, assuming she gets hit by a girl with some of supes' strength and is 'ko'd' IS LOWBALLING. since you seem so unsure....
Right. Its not like that happened twice in the same comic.

anyway, show scans where people aren't holding back, where they fight near their capacity and you won't have issues.
That would rule out nearly every fight in the comics.

now i KNOW you're trolling me..... lol you see them blasted...and? my gawd this is too absurd to be believed. i literally can't deal. you assume because the book focused on flash and superman getting taken out that all the others MUST have been totally ko'd?
Yes. Why wouldn't they be? Give me a reason.
LOL bodies? proof? just because the book focused on flash for a panel doesn't mean she was ko'd. jeezus h man, gtfo of here with this nonsense already....ffs your own scans shows that she was fighting JUST AFTER SUPES WAS BLINDED. must have been the shortest "ko" in history. holy ****.....
That was after a whole issue. But don't worry, I will not mention her getting beaten again by John.

proof? where's her body? you make the most unsupported/asinine assumptions i've seen here in a long time my friend. not sure why you're going to such lengths but it is ridiculous. your proof she was ko'd was not that she was actually SHOWN to be ko'd but that we didn't see her for a while? gtfo with that crap...
And Guy saying the clone took out the entire JLA doesn't mean anything, right? But I like how it is clearly shown that their limp bodies hitting the store in this scan and the very next scan Guy saying he took down entire JLA doesn't mean anything.

You did the same thing with Adam slamming PG. "Where is she koed?" When I gave you the scan, you still refused to count it as a win for Adam. So many excuses.....

except show the next page maybe? any bodies? and regardless, you are STILL consistently lowballing. again and again with the same sh!t....
Right. Its not like I posted the whole sequence.

lulz that is too stupid of an interpretation to comment on.
SMH. That's literally what happened. Weaker character don't catch stronger character's punch. If she was anywhere near as strong as him, she wouldn't have to fear about her arms getting snapped by him forcing her down.

you've already discounted jonn and batman's talk. you've accepted only half of pg's. are you....feeling unwell...? I'm sure you disagree with diana who despite being hit several times by kal says zoom does more damage…..
Or Superman saying Cap is every bit his equal.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/squeezing/ActionComics768b.jpg

So, what do you believe?

so...why was adam weakened again...?
Constant fighting several herald level characters. He had just fought Captain Marvel in a brutal fight in the last issue as well.

show some good, solid 1 on 1 fights. where his opponent fights at something like close to full capacity. i've been waiting for a long while now....

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC831VSBLACKADAM3.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC831VSBLACKADAM4.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC831VSBLACKADAM5.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC831VSBLACKADAM6.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC831VSBLACKADAM7.jpg

That good for you?

lol cuz your posts have been littered with scans to help your cause amiright? you haven't posted a new adam scan practically since the first post. lol all you've done is lowball diana the vast majority of the time and try and pass it off as if you HAVEN'T.
I have merely posted her actual fights against heralds. If that means its lowballing as she lost in majority of them..........
transparent is transparent bra.
😂

as has been the norm in this discussion, you missed the point--she already wrapped marvel in the rope once anyway. point is the rope could turn him. and lol at yet one more "ko" that is in no way at all supported.
Da ****?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/73552/2174183-wwlasso_1.jpg

She is actually lying there in the roof knocked out.

no, no, you don't lowball at all.
If actually knowing and posting her fights and not relying on selected scans is lowballing...........

i seriously can't "debate" you on this topic anymore. just be happy a mod hasn't dropped by. i KNOW none of them would be thrilled with the way you've handled yourself in this thread. you consistently show scans that are utterly unsupported by anything more than your completely biased assumptions (no ko's shown, no unconscious bodies, just assumptions). you consistently misrepresent scans (who in their right mind would say ww did NOT catch supes' fist??
Don't blow your fuse because it didn't happen the way you think it did.
the spike was driven through her hand ffs...) you consistently show scans where opponents are CLEARLY not fighting at full capacity (pg and alan and ww, obviously).
Lulz, that still bothering you? Good.
you consistently lowball (diana gets knocked out by trees.
Like Superman getting koed by a gas station?
she gets "one-shot" by casual hits from a gl...) yet handles a gl beating on her because she allowed it,
Because Guy Gardner and a random GL are totally same in effectiveness.
she handles getting hit across countries, continents and even the solar system, while laughing off nukes and beating foes like genocide, who, incidentally ALSO wrecked the jla--which you ignore. brilliant m'man.
Oh really? But tell me again, how does Wonder Woman beating her own body which fought JLA by ambush and beat the most powerful member John Stewart by messing with his soul means here?
you utterly, AGAIN, dodged my direct question: [b]were PG and alan fighting at full capacity against ba?
And I ask you again, how do you determine if they were fighting at full capacity? Because that's such a random attempt to dismiss the feat.
i mean it's a simple question.... yet you know you can't answer honestly because it would COMPLETELY undermine every scan you posted--MOST OF WHICH WERE ATTEMPTS AT LOWBALLING WW! you've barely shown any adam scans in 4 pages. lol so yeah, you can reply to this, but i'm done discussing this with you.
Seriously? You're basically going "Nah, your scans don't matter" here.

the ww3 arc was a very good one for adam. obviously. but if you think everyone in that arc fought against him at full capacity, then you really are delusional. that's why you won't open threads that seem so obviously answered in your head--none of the other adam backers will do it either, so don't go feeling all lonely. the reason you, nor they, will do so is obvious--because your threads would be laughed at then closed for spite. full capacity in the forum bro. no jobbing. my challenge was simple--you show ba scans, i show ww scans and we compare fairly. all you did was focus on lowballing ww time and time again.
How about I post the various fights she has with various top tiers and let you decide which one apply and which one don't. Apparently she must be jobbing in all of them.

i'll continue to show ww scans when i get a chance, but you've clearly lost your ability to be objective and/or honest in this thread for some reason, so i'll bid you good day sir. i did have fun though. 😄 [/B]
Or you've lost the ability to comprehend the fact that comics don't apply to "full capacity" rule of KMC.

Originally posted by leonidas
anywho, just a couple more. here is yet ANOTHER time she has used the tiara for a weapon. that's so 4 times inside of about 20 issues or so--so much for twice in 25 years..... lol

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara4.jpg.html

the tiara and lasso would be problem enough for adam given her comparable speed, strength and her skill advantage, but i think this power could be the biggest obstacle for adam. her bracers can also be used to generate the power of zeus in the form of lightning blasts:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/tiara4.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bracer%20lightning2.jpg.html

and that was pele, an uber powerful goddess as described here:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/pele.jpg.html

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bracer%20lightning3.jpg.html

that last feat is ridiculous too, given that the creature was cottus, basically the dark heart of themyscira, one of the haekatonchieres.

i wonder what that lightning would do to adam? could it force a change? maybe not, not sure, but it would be very interesting, and given that it is ZEUS's lightning, adam sure as sh!t wouldn't just shrug it off.....

there is more, but i think i'll stop for now. anyone who look at this match objectively can't help but come to the conclusion that this is a very close match. each fight would be brutal and close and there is no way anyone is taking a solid majority over the other imo.

peace! 🙂


Lightning isn't a problem for Adam. Even Dr. Fate couldn't hurt Adam with lightning.

And depowering Adam with lightning isn't possible. Dr. Fate had to go back in time, steal a portion of original Shazam bolt and divert it to depower him. Just the same in WWIII, cap had to capture his own lightning bolt and depower Adam with it.

Other than that, hurting Adam with magical lightning? How about Captain Marvel amping his punches with magical lightning and actually throwing lightning bolts at each other?

He would wreck her with his own lightning bolts. Just a few lightning bolts and both were bloody wrecks.

A couple things.

In African American Reign (the one where Hawkman was hitting Adam) Adam just ran through the JSA easily. That includes Lyta Hall who killed Sandman with the help of the Furies. And Black Adam was just damaged, not looking close to out when Alan Scott put most of his Starheart power inside Hawkman's mace.

And it was specifically mentioned the last major arc before that Alan had the Starheart as well before it's questioned. In fact it got torn out of him by Mordru and then returned at the end of the arc. Which speaking of, here is Power Girl's last major feat before African American Reign where she got "broke" by Black Adam. Mordru with the Starheart
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P0011.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00012.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00013.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00014.jpg.html

And speaking of the JSA, here is him overpowering Billy, and KO'ing Hawkgirl, Atom Smasher and winding Billy really quickly.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-007.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-008.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-009.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-010.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-012.jpg.html

As well as Dr Fate literally running away from Black Adam and the only way to defeat him was to go back in time and screw with his magic.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00008.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00009.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00010.jpg.html

Who was actually weakened with a tumor at the time:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00021.jpg.html

Adam has always been a teambuster. In fact the scan that keeps getting questioned where he holds off Amazo, Ubermensch, and the General has him knocking all three around and getting put down by Grodd, Silver Banshee and Pyscho purate. As much as that is being played as a non issue, how likely is it that Wonder Woman would be knocking those three around when they tried to jump her unexpected like? That would end in a rape.

The Amazo that Adam tore the head off KO'ed op Firestorm (albeit a sucker shot). And Adam and him were facing off and next you know his head's gone.
However, that's not all. When Batman saw a lower level model he assumed it had all 7 powers because that's what Amazo has.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/batman%20637%202005%20page%2005.jpg

However, he realized it was a prototype or older level model because it didn't have Plastic Man's power, and he thought it was stripped down because it didn't have a gl ring or WW's lasso.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/batman%20637%202005%20page%2008.jpg

IE, the Amazo Black Adam killed was your basic Amazo you see in comics with an Amazo body built to be Amazo. There should be no difference in power unless any additional powers are absorbed. Because that's his base.
It's not like he was using Red Tornado's body as a housing for himself or anything...
As well as if we accept a random no feat God who only got decapitated by WW, then I don't understand why we wouldn't accept him as being Amazo level considering he is Amazo.

Since it appears that Billy is heavily thrown in this as well, let's look at some unmatchable feats from him.

Walking through a 5d Thunderbolt's power unleashed.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-22.jpg

Then there's Billy who was able to have an extended fight with Spectre. It could be assumed the last three scans are of her adding her power to his, but it could also be assumed that she just accomplished it when she said it. Either way, it only seems to be her giving him energy at the time.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0221.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0222.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0302.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0303-04.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-15.jpg

And going back to Black Adam, here he is beating Billy with Shazam the Wizard's power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA16.jpg

And in a severe weakened state due to sharing his power with Billy, Mary and Isis, he kicks the absolute shit out of Power Girl and Alan Scott
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/11-1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/12-1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/03.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/04.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/05.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/06.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/11.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/14.jpg

So I have my doubts Power Girl is anywhere near as strong as Black Adam.

And speaking of Spectre:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam10.jpg

But Black Adam also survived and escaped from an off panel fight with Spectre as well before that. As evidenced by the damage on his costume.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00011.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00016.jpg.html

Proof it was Spectre:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00005.jpg.html

He also broke Eclipso's neck pretty handily here too (though she got up later due to healing factor)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV17.jpg

There are other things to bring up. Like him surviving a lengthy off panel fight with Onimar Synn while the latter was shown hitting Black Adam with the Claw of Horus. Other fights with Billy. Billy's fights with Superman where it's actually matching the power as opposed to using tactics to survive (in Wonder Woman's case). Etc.
And that will be all to clear up a little bit of the confusion I see here.
Carry on with your things.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
A couple things.

In African American Reign (the one where Hawkman was hitting Adam) Adam just ran through the JSA easily. That includes Lyta Hall who killed Sandman with the help of the Furies. And Black Adam was just damaged, not looking close to out when Alan Scott put most of his Starheart power inside Hawkman's mace.

And it was specifically mentioned the last major arc before that Alan had the Starheart as well before it's questioned. In fact it got torn out of him by Mordru and then returned at the end of the arc. Which speaking of, here is Power Girl's last major feat before African American Reign where she got "broke" by Black Adam. Mordru with the Starheart
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P0011.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00012.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00013.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00014.jpg.html

And speaking of the JSA, here is him overpowering Billy, and KO'ing Hawkgirl, Atom Smasher and winding Billy really quickly.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-007.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-008.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-009.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-010.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/JSA%201999-2006%20027-012.jpg.html

As well as Dr Fate literally running away from Black Adam and the only way to defeat him was to go back in time and screw with his magic.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00008.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00009.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00010.jpg.html

Who was actually weakened with a tumor at the time:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00021.jpg.html

Adam has always been a teambuster. In fact the scan that keeps getting questioned where he holds off Amazo, Ubermensch, and the General has him knocking all three around and getting put down by Grodd, Silver Banshee and Pyscho purate. As much as that is being played as a non issue, how likely is it that Wonder Woman would be knocking those three around when they tried to jump her unexpected like? That would end in a rape.

The Amazo that Adam tore the head off KO'ed op Firestorm (albeit a sucker shot). And Adam and him were facing off and next you know his head's gone.
However, that's not all. When Batman saw a lower level model he assumed it had all 7 powers because that's what Amazo has.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/batman%20637%202005%20page%2005.jpg

However, he realized it was a prototype or older level model because it didn't have Plastic Man's power, and he thought it was stripped down because it didn't have a gl ring or WW's lasso.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Stuff/batman%20637%202005%20page%2008.jpg

IE, the Amazo Black Adam killed was your basic Amazo you see in comics with an Amazo body built to be Amazo. There should be no difference in power unless any additional powers are absorbed. Because that's his base.
It's not like he was using Red Tornado's body as a housing for himself or anything...
As well as if we accept a random no feat God who only got decapitated by WW, then I don't understand why we wouldn't accept him as being Amazo level considering he is Amazo.

Since it appears that Billy is heavily thrown in this as well, let's look at some unmatchable feats from him.

Walking through a 5d Thunderbolt's power unleashed.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/36-22.jpg

Then there's Billy who was able to have an extended fight with Spectre. It could be assumed the last three scans are of her adding her power to his, but it could also be assumed that she just accomplished it when she said it. Either way, it only seems to be her giving him energy at the time.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0221.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0222.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0302.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/DayofVengeance0303-04.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Billy/dayofv3-15.jpg

And going back to Black Adam, here he is beating Billy with Shazam the Wizard's power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA13.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/JSA16.jpg

And in a severe weakened state due to sharing his power with Billy, Mary and Isis, he kicks the absolute shit out of Power Girl and Alan Scott
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/11-1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/12-1.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/03.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/04.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/05.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/06.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/11.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/12.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/13.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/14.jpg

So I have my doubts Power Girl is anywhere near as strong as Black Adam.

And speaking of Spectre:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam08.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/BlackAdam10.jpg

But Black Adam also survived and escaped from an off panel fight with Spectre as well before that. As evidenced by the damage on his costume.
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00011.jpg.html
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00016.jpg.html

Proof it was Spectre:
http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sonnendawg/media/Stuff/P00005.jpg.html

He also broke Eclipso's neck pretty handily here too (though she got up later due to healing factor)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV10.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV11.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Black%20Adam/DayofV17.jpg

There are other things to bring up. Like him surviving a lengthy off panel fight with Onimar Synn while the latter was shown hitting Black Adam with the Claw of Horus. Other fights with Billy. Billy's fights with Superman where it's actually matching the power as opposed to using tactics to survive (in Wonder Woman's case). Etc.
And that will be all to clear up a little bit of the confusion I see here.
Carry on with your things.

nice. 👆

THAT is the kinda of stuff i was looking for and gives a good basis for comparison. when i get some time, i'll go through this and compare some of this stuff. i disagree with a couple things, and i'll point out why, but you showed a bunch of stuff and that's all i was looking for. didn't think it was that hard. 👆

Bran likes to deal in lowballing. 👇
😏

Good scans Bran. Wonder Woman have similar showings as well. I'm surprised Leo hasn't posted her fight against Amazo. The same Amazo that took down the entirety of the JLA. There's other showings as well that I will leave in his hands but WW does have comparable showings.

i still have stuff to post, but i was hoping i'd have been able to put things up side-by-side like when rage and i went back and forth with bats and cap. i'll go through bran's scans (don't know wth took him so long to join in the fun [csmsneer[/csm] ) and see if i can find comparable feats for diana. some good stuff in there that i'm surprised wasn't shown and that will be tough to match but i'll see what i can find. at least that way people will be able to fairly make up their minds having the facts in front of them. i look forward to it. 👆

What people don't understand is that characters power levels flucuate in comics to fit the plot. We have Thing fighting and drawing blood from characters that he shouldn't, etc. There are varying degrees of PIS as well.

Finally, no offense, but not too smart posters argue strength ONLY when more important factors exist.
It doesn't matter if BA is stronger than WW. WW has tools to overcome his strength advantage. She has skills that allows her to get higher than a 4:1 hit ratio. If anyone disagrees then that means they believe that BA is closely skilled to WW. Then WW has the lasso. Now you can argue that she is not fast enough to get it around him in mid battle. But what about after stunning him with a good hit? Surely she can instantly wrap him in that moment. I'm not saying she starts the fight with this strategy, but that it is an option that she can employ anytime in the fight.

Showing bunch of scans of BA, PG, etc. fighting others is totally irrelevant.
The characters they fought aren't comparable to WW at all. BA beating anyone not closely related to WW has no bearing on what he can do to WW. The unique lasso, speed, and skill combination is what WW brings to the table and is significantly different than any of character BA has faced.

WW wins this fight everytime if both are under FULL CAPACITY.

Originally posted by h1a8
What people don't understand is that characters power levels flucuate in comics to fit the plot. We have Thing fighting and drawing blood from characters that he shouldn't, etc. There are varying degrees of PIS as well.

Finally, no offense, but not too smart posters argue strength ONLY when more important factors exist.
It doesn't matter if BA is stronger than WW. WW has tools to overcome his strength advantage. She has skills that allows her to get higher than a 4:1 hit ratio. If anyone disagrees then that means they believe that BA is closely skilled to WW. Then WW has the lasso. Now you can argue that she is not fast enough to get it around him in mid battle. But what about after stunning him with a good hit? Surely she can instantly wrap him in that moment. I'm not saying she starts the fight with this strategy, but that it is an option that she can employ anytime in the fight.

Showing bunch of scans of BA, PG, etc. fighting others is totally irrelevant.
The characters they fought aren't comparable to WW at all. BA beating anyone not closely related to WW has no bearing on what he can do to WW. The unique lasso, speed, and skill combination is what WW brings to the table and is significantly different than any of character BA has faced.

WW wins this fight everytime if both are under FULL CAPACITY.

So when do we accept fts? It seems like you only accept fts from characters when you're debating for said character. Be consistent and stop being a hypocrite.

Originally posted by carver9
So when do we accept fts? It seems like you only accept fts from characters when you're debating for said character. Be consistent and stop being a hypocrite.
We accept nearly all feats. Doesn't mean they are relevant to the fight though. I can show Hulk lifting a billion tons but that has no relevance to him fighting someone who can blink him to another dimension in a nanosecond. Do you get me? WW has skill, speed, and lasso combination that more than cancels out BA's strength advantage. She ALWAYS has the option of lassoing him after stunning him with a hit. This alone gives her a majority in the fight. Who BA beat up is irrelevant if said character isn't comparable to what WW brings to the fight.

Feats against other characters should only be used when debating against a comparable character. Feats against nature should only be used to give a basis of a character's power level in that attribute(s).

^ I find myself agreeing with h1a8 here. If we really looked at it on paper it would look something similar to this.

Diana vs Teth

Strength - Roughly equal.
Speed - Roughly equal.
Durability - Roughly equal or a slight edge to Teth.
Gear - Diana by a landslide
Combat ability - Diana by a large margin.
Intelligence - Neither are mentally challenged, but Diana tends to keep a cooler head in combat.

She should win this.

that's mostly the way i see it, but i give the strength to adam. not by a landslide though. speed difference is negligible, durability is closer than it would first appear imo (adam has the clear invulnerability edge, but diana's damage soak can be pretty beastly and the bracers really help her in this area) but yeah, the weapons man, are tough to overcome in a forum setting.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's mostly the way i see it, but i give the strength to adam. not by a landslide though. speed difference is negligible, durability is closer than it would first appear imo (adam has the clear invulnerability edge, but diana's damage soak can be pretty beastly and the bracers really help her in this area) but yeah, the weapons man, are tough to overcome in a forum setting.

Agreed.

Do you think she can take Superman without magic exploitation?

Originally posted by leonidas
that's mostly the way i see it, but i give the strength to adam. not by a landslide though. speed difference is negligible, durability is closer than it would first appear imo (adam has the clear invulnerability edge, but diana's damage soak can be pretty beastly and the bracers really help her in this area) but yeah, the weapons man, are tough to overcome in a forum setting.

Yeah, no. Adam has strength, speed and durability advantages here. She can win a few by lasso but her tiara is useless here.

Adam is as magic resistant as they come. Add in some god tier damage soak which is far beyond her (WWIII anybody) and I don't see why anybody would call her a winner here.

Here is one more beastly feat for Cap.

He smacks Dreadnaught with the powers of Superman, J'onn and Aquaman like a red headed step child untill his power was blocked.

A favorite scene, from one of the first comics I owned.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, no. Adam has strength, speed and durability advantages here. She can win a few by lasso but her tiara is useless here.

Adam is as magic resistant as they come. Add in some god tier damage soak which is far beyond her (WWIII anybody) and I don't see why anybody would call her a winner here.

strength yes, durability, probably (though i separate invulnerability from damage soak which i think are extremely close). but we've gone over that.

not sure why you're so sure the tiara would be useless though. it even sliced open genocide with ease. here is a little of what she was designed for:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/geno1.jpg.html

and here the tiara slices her easily, (and it cuts her again later in their second fight):

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/geno2.jpg.html

so, yeah, i absolutely think it could cut adam. slice his head off? maybe not. be a significant weapon in cqc? i don't see how you could think otherwise. it could easily act as a dagger/knife to solid effect.

and regardless--let's even assume you are right. it doesn't matter that much since the differences aren't that large and her wins won't come from punching him out, but by taking some punishment, getting in close, then using her skill and weapons to incapacitate him. in his wins his physical power will be the decisive tool--she has other tools.