Originally posted by playa1258
Star Trek has never been a box office giant. What they need is a good film and over $200 million domestic again and higher international numbers.
It's always been successful; the only real failure was Nemesis (which, funnily enough, the first reboot movie borrowed a LOT from), and that still managed to make a profit, however small.
Looking forward to Beyond though; hoping it does well.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It's always been successful; the only real failure was Nemesis (which, funnily enough, the first reboot movie borrowed a LOT from), and that still managed to make a profit, however small.Looking forward to Beyond though; hoping it does well.
Nah Nemesis was a massive flop which stopped the Next Gen films there and then.
67mill worldwide gross on a 60mill budget is not a profit. They also have to make up for Marketing costs and Theatre cuts.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah Nemesis was a massive flop which stopped the Next Gen films there and then.67mill worldwide gross on a 60mill budget is not a profit. They also have to make up for Marketing costs and Theatre cuts.
Huh? I said Nemesis was a failure. It's part of what stopped the franchise (though it wasn't the only thing).
Those numbers wouldn't be taken in to account?
Originally posted by Kazenji
And what were they?
Bad guy from Romulan space hates senior member of the crew.
Bad guy uses massive super ship to try to wipe out said member of the crew.
Bad guy plans to wipe out home planet of said crewman using ridiculous superweapon just to prove a point.
It's no Force Awakens, but the parallels are there. Abrams just did a better job with it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Huh? I said Nemesis was a failure. It's part of what stopped the franchise (though it wasn't the only thing).Those numbers wouldn't be taken in to account?
I think you said even that failure made a small profit. Just pointing out it didn't, and actually made a considerable loss.
No those figures are not included in the production cost.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think you said even that failure made a small profit. Just pointing out it didn't, and actually made a considerable loss.No those figures are not included in the production cost.
It felt like you were saying I hadn't said it was a failure, which it was in many ways. Do you have a link of some sort that shows how much it lost, if at all?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Do you have a link of some sort that shows how much it lost, if at all?
Sure. I always just use box office mojo:
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sure. I always just use box office mojo:
I was looking at that page. Where does it say the losses?
I did find another page that said it was a net loss, which honestly doesn't surprise me given how much of a shit-show it was (the only thing that entire movie gave us of any note was a new Romulan Warbird design, imo). Even accounting for me being wrong about Nemesis, it still doesn't harm my original point, being that Star Trek generally does well at the box office.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was looking at that page. Where does it say the losses?I did find another page that said it was a net loss, which honestly doesn't surprise me given how much of a shit-show it was (the only thing that entire movie gave us of any note was a new Romulan Warbird design, imo). Even accounting for me being wrong about Nemesis, it still doesn't harm my original point, being that Star Trek generally does well at the box office.
It shows world wide gross of 67mill and production cost of 60mill. Like I said those figures don't take into account marketing costs and theatre cuts. So it's definitely a loss.
Yes I wasn't arguing your general point. But I do think the Next Gen films by the end of their run pretty much killed demand for Trek films until Abrans revived it bigger than the franchise had been in a long time (since like Wrath of Khan days).
Edit- Make that since The Voyage Home/Undiscovered Country days. Wrath of Khans box office was phenomenal for its time.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shows world wide gross of 67mill and production cost of 60mill. Like I said those figures don't take into account marketing costs and theatre cuts. So it's definitely a loss.Yes I wasn't arguing your general point. But I do think the Next Gen films by the end of their run pretty much killed demand for Trek films until Abrans revived it bigger than the franchise had been in a long time (since like Wrath of Khan days).
Edit- Make that since The Voyage Home/Undiscovered Country days. Wrath of Khans box office was phenomenal for its time.
Kind of weird that they don't, but all right.
Insurrection didn't do great, but it did all right iirc. The problem was that it was more like a big episode than a feature film. And that was coming off of the very successful First Contact. I think Nemesis, and the poor reception for Enterprise hurt Star Trek as a whole, and demand for the franchise began to decline.
Well yeah, it's a damn fine film @ WoK.