Star Trek Beyond

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Originally posted by Surtur
I said sequels almost always spend more, not always. Though I mostly meant special effect heavy movies.

You missed my edit: Trek 2009 was $150 million. After that it got an increase for Into Darkness. After Into Darkness it got an increase and then it was reduced back to practically the same amount Into Darkness got. Whatever label you want to use it doesn't change the fact that isn't a good sign.

The budget is fine where it is. 5 million less isn't slashing. That's my point.

The Star Trek movies - unlike Star Wars and many other franchises - has the problem of not being overly popular overseas. It's perceived as being too American. But with film budgets as big as ever, it needs to find ways to increase it's overseas revenue. Hence why the last film got partially set in London, and we had two prominent Brits in the cast (Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve.) It did increased box office overseas, but still way less than what Star Wars or any Marvel film pulls in. This film seemed to have more non-white faces around, perhaps due to director Justin Lin.

Originally posted by roughrider
The Star Trek movies - unlike Star Wars and many other franchises - has the problem of not being overly popular overseas. It's perceived as being too American. But with film budgets as big as ever, it needs to find ways to increase it's overseas revenue. Hence why the last film got partially set in London, and we had two prominent Brits in the cast (Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve.) It did increased box office overseas, but still way less than what Star Wars or any Marvel film pulls in. This film seemed to have more non-white faces around, perhaps due to director Justin Lin.

It's not exactly been doing phenomenal domestically either. Just decently profitable and a massive boost from where it was pre-reboot (it was practically dead).

Also the international market has grown a lot in the last few years. So I wouldn't be surprised if Beyond's total gross is higher than the last 2 films in the series, even though it probably won't do as well as them domestically.

Another problem is the word of mouth won't be strong outside of non old school Trek fans. I've talked to a few and I heard words like boring. It lacks the excitement of the previous two times a thousand fold. I hope it does well as I want my Kelvin timeline to live on but if it doesn't proceed as planned as least I have my trilogy. Into Darkness is a truly spectacular film in all aspects. I've also made another character synonymous with myself in Khan Noonien Singh.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's not exactly been doing phenomenal domestically either. Just decently profitable and a massive boost from where it was pre-reboot (it was practically dead).

Also the international market has grown a lot in the last few years. So I wouldn't be surprised if Beyond's total gross is higher than the last 2 films in the series, even though it probably won't do as well as them domestically.

The main problem with this film's performance is that it's just not very good and really did nothing original. I'd be surprised if it beats either ST or ST:ID domestically.

Originally posted by Robtard
The main problem with this film's performance is that it's just not very good and really did nothing original. I'd be surprised if it beats either ST or ST:ID domestically.

Same thoughts

They need an all-out war in the next film. Which has never been done in a Star Trek film before.

Originally posted by playa1258
They need an all-out war in the next film. Which has never been done in a Star Trek film before.
I just got back from seeing it and I must say I enjoyed it a lot more on my second watch. My expectations were lowered and it did have some decent moments. It's still the weakest of the three but I appreciated it a lot more than my first watch. I recommend anyone who saw it go and see it again. I'm telling you that you'll enjoy it more the second viewing.

I'd definitely love to see that Romulan War. Balthazar Edison will contribute to my war effort on the weak empire. Khan will walk over their cold corpses as we claim victory.

So I went to see this last night... Spoilers ahead.

It's not very good. There's no real plot to speak of, as it's as thin as can be. Every scene seems to either be a chance to show off some cool effects or stunts, or a vehicle to get you there while showing off some witty banter. A plot can be a vehicle for its characters, and it can be done well, but this is not how you do that.

The effects are great, if a bit overdone. The scene at the start with the

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destruction of the Enterprise
takes about five minutes longer than it needs to. It's impressive, sure, and they use the effects very well, but it honestly feels like it's using the effects for effects' sake. It's even more gratuitous than the constant flybys of the Enterprise during TMP.

Idris Elba, much like Cumberbatch, is wasted as a villain. He's sufficiently angry and his origin is a nice nod to

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Enterprise with him being a former MACO
, but that's about as decent as it gets.

but is the film enjoyable? At times, yes, and I'll tell you why: While Pegg gets simple Star Trek terminology wrong at times (which is ironic with him being an engineer in the movie), one thing he does get right several times is the dialogue when some of the characters are bantering.

You feel like McCoy and Kirk are old friends. You feel like McCoy and Spock, while adversarial most of the time, actually do respect each other.

Speaking of, Karl Urban is starting to creep me out. You go back and watch the old movies, or even the old series, and you can see that man has DeForest Kelley's mannerisms down to a ****ing T. It shows not just Urban's strength as an actor, but his reverence for the original character.

I wasn't sold on Quinto's Spock in the previous movies, but I liked him more in this one than I did in the others. He seems to finally have settled in to the role, and the more I think about it, the more I see Nimoy's influences in his performance.

Yelchin, Cho and Saldana are all solid. Yelchin especially. He's as good a Checkov as we're ever going to get, I think, and it's a damn shame he won't be around for Star Trek 4.

Pine is the weakest of the big three. He just has something missing about him, and I dare say it isn't his fault. Pine is an incredible actor, terribly underrated imo, but part of the reason the plot falls apart is that some early promise about Kirk's personal situation is forgotten for half of the movie. When it starts off, Kirk is

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not enjoying being out in space. He wants a change
. That is all good, but that theme disappears until the end of the movie only to be revisited in a tiny scene at the end.

If you go back and watch movies like First Contact or Khan, you can see that the main thing effecting the Captain (the Borg for Jean Luc, mortality/becoming older for Kirk) are constantly referenced, if not in dialogue, but in the themes throughout the movie. There's none of that here, and it hurts Pine, Kirk, and the plot as a whole.

And that's what really hurts the movie in general. There's no thoughtfulness. You can make the most amazing sci-fi action movie you want, but without the sci-fi, it's only half of what it could be, and this film is sorely lacking that. It's the closest we've come to the more Star Wars-like "Fantasy story in space" kind of thing, and the movie is poorer for it.

But where does it rate? Is it better than Into Darkness? In all honesty? No. It isn't. Is it more enjoyable than it, though? Yes. Why? Because the performances of the actors drag what would have been a poorer movie kicking and screaming in to some semblance of enjoyment by being more like the original characters than they've ever been. It actually makes the movie, for me, more re-watchable than the previous one, in many ways.

And **** me, that scene where young Spock opens the

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box with Old Spock's belongings.
Dem feels.

But yeah... I think that covers it.

you spoke ill of Cumberbatch.

Quan's gonna fck you up, son.

Well at least Cumberbatch got to do stuff...kind of.

But yeah this movie felt like a filler episode of a series.

I personally liked the Nu Khan. At least Nu Khan looked cold and calculating. The old Khan looked like a confused cosplayer.

Anyone acting like Kelvin Khan was a wasted villain isn't made for this timeline. He was cold, tough as **** (he won a fight without even throwing a punch), took on Starfleet singlehandely, decimated the Klingons when the idiots aboard the Enterprise got themselves in hot water, etc. The movie was all about his badassery. This timeline is different than the original and boring timeline. The actors have stated from the newer films the old ones bored them as well.

This is why I hate the old Trekkie mentality. Worship your old films and your old shitty series. It was boring. This new timeline is different so either accept it or move the **** on. Companies are about making money and the older Trek films were never that successful. Abrams made this Trek a big budget success.

Originally posted by Surtur
I personally liked the Nu Khan. At least Nu Khan looked cold and calculating. The old Khan looked like a confused cosplayer.
The old Khan was awful and laughable. Cumberbatch made the character all that. Kelvin timeline>>>prime timeline.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well at least Cumberbatch got to do stuff...kind of.

But yeah this movie felt like a filler episode of a series.

Honestly that's how I looked at it. It would have been perfectly fine in that instance.

Originally posted by Surtur
I personally liked the Nu Khan. At least Nu Khan looked cold and calculating. The old Khan looked like a confused cosplayer.

Khan wasn't even the main villain in Into Darkness, which to me felt like a waste. It seemed far too tacked on for my tastes. Plus, the stuff they almost blatantly copied from WoK rather than doing something new lowered my view of it.

It's a shame to me, though. Cumberbatch could have been a hell of a Khan if they'd written him properly.

They should of just used Gary Mitchell, which is what was rumored to be happening until it didn't.

Cumberbatch Khan was a good villain. Just bugged da hell out of me how the timeline change can turn a Mexican into a white English man.

Ha, but's that's explained in the backstory. Marcus made Khan have surgery so he'd no longer look like a Sikh

Originally posted by Robtard
Ha, but's that's explained in the backstory. Marcus made Khan have surgery so he'd no longer look like a Sikh

Oh yeah, and they bleached his skin, and gave him lessons in more proper English.

Totally forgot about the comic tie in

Doubters.