Shaak Ti vs. Jaden Korr vs Kas'im

Originally posted by MythLord
I don't need Occams Razor when I have the text to support my idea. First of all, Galen did raise his lightsaber by reflex, why would he do that if he wasn't attacked?

By that same logic, why would Galen raise his lightsaber reflexively to that attack if he had already blocked that attack and she didn't make any more attack.

It's obvious that Galen raising his blade was reflexively due to him charging her, which was happening before he blocked her strike, and before she even initiated that strike to begin with considering she was already in an attack sequence.

Originally posted by MythLord
"He backed away, shocked by how close he had come to death and how lucky he had been to defeat her. He had raised his lightsaber [B]by reflex."

Second of all, the text notes "practically" threw herself, as in it's almost as if she did such an action, though that was never her intention:

"She had, in the desperation of her final assault, practically thrown herself on the blade. Perhaps she had meant for the two of them to defeat each other at the same time.

Galen's musings could also be interpreted as him assuming Shaak knew she would need to overextend. Conversely, there is no evidence that Galen simply held his lightsaber out before Ti even made an attack that would leave her vulnerable as would be absolutely retarded.
So this interpretation that she legitimately threw herself onto a lightsaber blade that was already raised as answer to an attack that wasn't even executed yet makes no sense whatsoever.[/B]

The fact of the matter that you seem to be so desperately trying to make yourself willfully ignorant of is that Galen wouldn't have been wondering if it was a mutually assured destruction outcome attempt if Shaak's attack succeeding wouldn't have obviously ended with her impaled on his blade.

Originally posted by MythLord
That's all fine and dandy, but I never brought it up.

Fair enough on the staggering thing, though.

Originally posted by MythLord
He would've raised it as she attacked, not before her attack. In which case she couldn't stop herself and her only hope was decapitating him first which she would have done had Galen not used the Force.

You trying to say he raised his blade after he blocked her attack still has absolutely no basis, even by your own logic.

You're saying that Galen raising his blade before her strike makes no sense since he wouldn't be acting reflexively to anything she was doing, even though that strike was at the end of an attack sequence where she was already on the offensive and levying strikes against him. He could've been acting reflexively to the attack sequence as a whole, or her moving towards him, or while she was striking at him, but by your own logic him reflexively raising his blade after he already blocked her strike makes no ****ing sense.

You are saying that Shaak Ti got impaled after her strike failed, when the text saying that she moved into his blade in the desperation of her final assault, and when Galen is wondering if she intended for them to both take each other out at the same time, which for his musing to have any logical basis means he either raised his blade prior to or at the same time as he blocked the attack, which means Shaak Ti would've still been impaled on his blade even if the attack succeeded.

You are trying to twist words, use semantics, and aim for far-fetched interpretations of the text to support the narrative that makes Shaak Ti look better, despite the text making it abundantly clear that if Galen hadn't blocked the strike they would've taken each other out, and the reasoning you are using to argue that Galen raising his blade before her strike makes no sense applies even moreso to the notion that Galen raised his blade after he blocked her strike.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
A distinctly close battle? You do realize there is nothing indicating how long that lock lasted or how evenly matched it was, and nothing indicating which way it ended. That doesn't prove shit about how closely they were matched in the Force.

When every part of that quicktime event where they directly engage each other has Galen holding an advantage, it's not unfair to say Galen was portrayed as holding the advantage.

I misspoke when claiming it was a close battle, I meant to say that it implies at least a close parity in raw force power. Why else, for example, was that quick time event not introduced in other boss fights, and the very nature of being 'locked' in a force battle requiring effort to overpower implies they're close.

And yes, it is unfair to claim that based off two lightsaber strikes and a deception. She was performing relatively well against his strength, she had no problem actually duelling him, she merely was caught off guard twice. Contrary to that, he underestimated her just as much, and was nearly killed in turn.

Well clearly Galen was in a position to do one of those things, he was in a position to react to the attack, and he was aware of that attack because he did ultimately react to it, and it clearly wasn't obvious to Shaak what Galen was capable and incapable of doing in that moment because he did something she didn't account for.

Galen was clearly capable of reacting to it because he did. If he reacted differently than with TK, he might have gone for a physical evasion, or desperately pulled his blade upwards to try and block it, the latter of which would've lead to his blade cutting through Shaak's vital organs. You cannot say it was perfectly reasonable for Shaak to move into Galen's blade and not think she was to some extent risking defeat or mutual destruction.

Yes, he was able to react to the attack. I told you he couldn't have done any of the other things, because frankly, he wasn't in a position to position his blade in another angle, or dodge as you said. Dodging isn't fast enough, and positioning his blade slightly better isn't a defensive reflex as his force barrier was, he would never instinctively do it to save his life. He would raise his blade, and wherever that hits is wherever it hits, and she would be able to predict that.

Obviously she was risking defeat or mutual destruction. Mutual destruction would probably ultimately favour her goals over Vader's anyway, so I doubt that worried her. All I'm saying, is it was a pretty calculated risk, since it's not often a Force User like Galen comes along, you can't exactly fault someone for not expecting that level of raw power.

I do think Shaak is better than him as a duelist, but I don't think she's solidly better than him if that's how she decided to try and end the fight.

And I disagree with you on Galen not improving a lot after the Shaak Ti fight, given the quote saying his skill increased, the quote saying his physicality increased a lot, and the numerous quotes speaking to his growth in the Force throughout the remainder of the novel.

On the timeline, Galen is closer to his fight with Rahm than his fight with Vader, and I'm sure you can admit that there is a rather massive difference between the two.

I've made my thoughts on this clear in several threads before, and have no intent on revisiting it. Do remember I'm not really here to argue Shaak vs Galen, I was pointing out your factually incorrect statements, which this has nothing to do with.

If what you're saying is that Shaak Ti's fighting style consists of her leaving herself open like that, then that is a weakness that still detracts from her combative viability.

And good storytelling is having a fight meant to be Galen's last test ending in a way that doesn't prove Galen beat her by the merit of being better than her?

Given the whole shit about him not being as powerful as he thinks, afterwards, yeh, I guess.

She was feeling his strength in the Force fading, and he was simultaneously dealing with physically augmenting himself to not be crushed. If you are seriously going to suggest that him being in a stranglehold wasn't hindering him, then I really don't know what to tell you there.

Oh, wait, you have an extra source that you've never told anyone about? Because all I'm reading here is that she can feel 'him fading'. Nothing about strength in the force, they're distinctly different.

Some of every Sith's greatest force feats come during times of injury and rage, I don't know what to tell you. Being in pain doesn't hinder Sith.

To put it another way, using the Game and Novel as alternative sources, he is her superior but not blatantly so, she has defended herself from his attacks on other occasions, including both his Force Lightning and TK. So, if he manages to one shot her, you must accept either he was amped to his true potential, or that she wasn't able to raise a proper force barrier. You seem to be trying to deny both, and that does not make sense.

Originally posted by Selenial
I misspoke when claiming it was a close battle, I meant to say that it implies at least a close parity in raw force power. Why else, for example, was that quick time event not introduced in other boss fights, and the very nature of being 'locked' in a force battle requiring effort to overpower implies they're close.

Just the fact that they're force powers clashed doesn't prove anything when there's no evidence as to how those clashes went.

Originally posted by Selenial
And yes, it is unfair to claim that based off two lightsaber strikes and a deception. She was performing relatively well against his strength, she had no problem actually duelling him, she merely was caught off guard twice. Contrary to that, he underestimated her just as much, and was nearly killed in turn.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yes, he was able to react to the attack. I told you he couldn't have done any of the other things, because frankly, he wasn't in a position to position his blade in another angle, or dodge as you said. Dodging isn't fast enough, and positioning his blade slightly better isn't a defensive reflex as his force barrier was, he would never instinctively do it to save his life. He would raise his blade, and wherever that hits is wherever it hits, and she would be able to predict that.

And what is this? Galen positioning his blade wouldn't have worked because Shaak would be able to predict it... even though she didn't predict him blocking it and according to you didn't predict his Force attack later on?

Originally posted by Selenial
Obviously she was risking defeat or mutual destruction. Mutual destruction would probably ultimately favour her goals over Vader's anyway, so I doubt that worried her. All I'm saying, is it was a pretty calculated risk, since it's not often a Force User like Galen comes along, you can't exactly fault someone for not expecting that level of raw power.

We saw what happened when Shaak Ti did die, Maris and the Felucians fell to the Dark Side... how exactly does that favor her goals?

Originally posted by Selenial
I've made my thoughts on this clear in several threads before, and have no intent on revisiting it. Do remember I'm not really here to argue Shaak vs Galen, I was pointing out your factually incorrect statements, which this has nothing to do with.

Originally posted by Selenial
Just like it detracts from Yoda's, yes, what's your point?

If that weakness got her impaled in a duel, it is a valid criticism of her combative ability, not something that can be excused just by saying "it's part of her fighting style"

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh, wait, you have an extra source that you've never told anyone about? Because all I'm reading here is that she can feel 'him fading'. Nothing about strength in the force, they're distinctly different.

Originally posted by Selenial
Some of every Sith's greatest force feats come during times of injury and rage, I don't know what to tell you. Being in pain doesn't hinder Sith.

Originally posted by Selenial
To put it another way, using the Game and Novel as alternative sources, he is her superior but not blatantly so, she has defended herself from his attacks on other occasions, including both his Force Lightning and TK. So, if he manages to one shot her, you must accept either he was amped to his true potential, or that she wasn't able to raise a proper force barrier. You seem to be trying to deny both, and that does not make sense.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What instance are you referring to with Vader?

And with Sidious, Galen pretty much blatantly said Sidious was deceiving him by feigning weakness in that same source.

https://youtu.be/HblR0sMoh3s?t=15m40s

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Shaak Ti moving into Galen's blade as he raises it and having more than half of its length shoved through her body to the extent where Galen wonders if she intentionally got herself impaled in order to kill him is a bit more of an egregious overextension than Dooku moving his blade too far and getting disarmed.

This is all irrelevant, I never claimed that Dooku's was just as worse, only that other high (even higher) calibre duelist can overextend against an inferior opponent and end up losing.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The duel ended with her final assault being described as desperate, and Galen wondering if she intended for both of them to die... that doesn't sound "comfortable" to me.

Shaak constantly driving Galen back, where most of the time he himself was desperate sounds just like that to me.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Mid sentence? She said "Wha?" You've never had that reaction to something unusual? So she realizes something's going on in a fight, and has the awareness and time to turn around and raise her hands but not a Force barrier? If she hadn't raised a Force barrier, then surely the attack would've hurled her back.

No, I don't hear "Wha-" as a reaction. It sounds more like "what?", you know. You seriously can't see that she was interrupted?

Raising your hand to your face as a reflex is not the same as erecting a proper barrier. The attack was already past her before she raised her hand anyway. And you can't even tell from the comic whether she was hurled back or not. Are you done making shit up?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What about the fact that Galen's attack wasn't focused on Shaak Ti, it was omnidirectional. If you want to argue the nexus and strangulation cancel each other out, then Galen still seriously wounded her with a Force attack where most of his power was not aimed at her.

Being omnidirectional doesn't mean it didn't have a focus. In Galen's place I would've targeted Shaak, idk about you.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It is overall a net advantage Zoltan. That is the point I am making. Shaak Ti having to telepathically manipulate the Sarlaac doesn't change that fact.

Well it kinda does, considering the edge she gained from it was minimal if not nonexistant.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
https://youtu.be/HblR0sMoh3s?t=15m40s

So he hurled him with TK after landing a lightsaber strike to his face after a series of events that involved him smashing a bunch of metal pillars into Vader's body? I can see how he would be in a disadvantageous state at that point.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
This is all irrelevant, I never claimed that Dooku's was just as worse, only that other high (even higher) calibre duelist can overextend against an inferior opponent and end up losing.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Shaak constantly driving Galen back, where most of the time he himself was desperate sounds just like that to me.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
No, I don't hear "Wha-" as a reaction. It sounds more like "what?", you know. You seriously can't see that she was interrupted?

Raising your hand to your face as a reflex is not the same as erecting a proper barrier. The attack was already past her before she raised her hand anyway. And you can't even tell from the comic whether she was hurled back or not. Are you done making shit up?

Erecting a Force barrier is a reflex Force wielders are trained to use in combat lmfao. She was on her feet after it hit, so clearly she erected some resistance against the attack.

Are you done relying on ad hominems like calling me a liar? Cause it's pretty pathetic and just proves your position is backed only by a pillar of salt.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Being omnidirectional doesn't mean it didn't have a focus. In Galen's place I would've targeted Shaak, idk about you.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Well it kinda does, considering the edge she gained from it was minimal if not nonexistant.

Even if Shaak has to divert telepathic power to use the Sarlaac, it is something she can tactically use to split Galen's attention when tactically convenient, and that forces Galen to not place himself in a position in that environment that makes him vulnerable to the Sarlaac.

If a bunch of native Felucians are attacking Galen while he's fighting Shaak, then that is a pretty substantive advantage that doesn't require Shaak to divert any of her power, but forces Galen to split his power and focus.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I believe DD already argued that that had a lot to do with positioning and shit like that. Why don't you respond to his arguments instead of ignoring them?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
So first off we have the fight starting off with Shaak in a superior position having a height advantage over Galen which allows her to generate a greater amount of kinetic force behind her blows then normal putting Galen off balance at the beginning of the fight.

"She smiled in mockery. "Are you prepared to meet your fate?" [b]Then her lightsaber was lit and she was spinning through the air toward him, striking downward as she fell.

The apprentice simultaneously backflipped and blocked her opening blow. The force of it surprised him, and the recoil threw him backward. His hood caught on one of the sarlacc's teeth, and he tore it impatiently away before the snag could interfere with his defense. Shaak Ti's lightsaber was a jagged blue blur between them. He blocked her as best he could until he had his balance again." - The Force Unleashed.

He attempts to put distance between himself and Shaak but because he does not the place their fighting in like Shaak does he ends up plunging down into the maw of the sarlaac yet again allowing Shaak to gain the high ground.

"Then he jumped. Over her he spun and fell down two layers of teeth toward the mouth of the sarlacc. From there he jumped up again, angling away from her to avoid giving the Jedi the advantage of height, but she was there ahead of him, driving him back down with a series of blows so rapid he barely caught them all." - The Force Unleashed.

Note that at this time he's trying to get back to the edge of the sarlaac pit and out of its maw so meeting the strikes of a person with a high ground advantage as he's ascending is going to be especially hard to counter.

_____

Using a bolt of Sith lightning on the sarlaac Galen is able to regain even ground with Shaak.

"He summoned a bolt of Sith lightning and sent it down, into the flesh of the sarlacc. The beast roared and shook, giving him the opening he needed. Shaak Ti's right foot slipped, forcing her to flip elegantly out of reach of his blade. He leapt after her, swinging as he came." - The Force Unleashed.

As you can probably imagine the fight progresses much more evenly now that Shaak's advantages have been used up.

"The fight progressed around the sarlacc's center rings, blow and counterblow accompanied by the roaring of the beast. The apprentice cut off teeth and threw the fragments at his adversary's head. In return she took tighter control of the beast's distributed intelligence and sent its food-seeking tentacles flailing for him. He repulsed them and fought on.

Down they drove each other, closer and closer to the very lip of the creature's enormous mouth.

They then have an exchange which reveals why Shaak attempted her suicidal move. She knew she was running out of energy faster then Galen.

"You can't keep this up forever," he taunted Shaak Ti as they dueled.

"Neither can you," she said. "You are wasting your strength too quickly."

"The dark side is inexhaustible."

"Your strength is prodigious," she admitted, "but that is your doing." - The Force Unleashed.

Galen then proceeds to remove one of Shaak's lekku indicating the shift in the fight.

"He slashed at her own feet as they spun by overhead and sent one of her ribbons twirling down into the sarlacc's gaping mouth. "Spare me the philosophy lesson, Jedi," he snarled. "I'm only here for your blood." - The Force Unleashed.

This is when Shaak attempts to take Galen down with her in moves that find their mark but ultimately fail. And luck isn't a thing. If Galen hadn't had the honed reflexes he did all the luck in the world wouldn't have saved him. I'm not claiming he blocked the blow out of skill as that was clearly not the case but to claim that Galen only managed to do so because of convenience is lazy and biased. [/B]

Here you go Zoltan. Address it as you like.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Galen did hurl Vader in the novel though.

So he hurled him with TK after landing a lightsaber strike to his face after a series of events that involved him smashing a bunch of metal pillars into Vader's body? I can see how he would be in a disadvantageous state at that point.

You mean unlike Shaak? Anyhow, QTE is still gameplay so not canonically binding.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Vos was holding the advantage over Dooku in that duel when he overextended, and Dooku's mistake doesn't make Shaak Ti's bullshit excusable, when Dooku was in the position of disadvantage in that duel and didn't **** up nearly as bad.

I'm done trying to get the point through to you...

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I believe DD already argued that that had a lot to do with positioning and shit like that. Why don't you respond to his arguments instead of ignoring them?

Because he's a f-ucking imbecile, I don't even read his posts, let alone debate him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If it got completely interrupted, it wouldn't be punctuated. The fact of the matter is that sometimes when people are a bit stunned they let their words trail off.

This is some pretty retarded arguments. So you are arguing that she sensed the attack coming yet was stunned mid sentence? Makes perfect sense 🙄

I have a simpler theory, she was interrupted by the attack.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Erecting a Force barrier is a reflex Force wielders are trained to use in combat lmfao. She was on her feet after it hit, so clearly she erected some resistance against the attack.

It's a comic lmao, she could easily stand up between two panels. I find it funny how you think an attack can cause serious injury and be pathetic enough not to blow her off of her feat at once. A puny f-ucking push can blow people off of their feat and it causes no injury at all.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Are you done relying on ad hominems like calling me a liar? Cause it's pretty pathetic and just proves your position is backed only by a pillar of salt.

Well you kinda make shit up all the time that are neither backed up by facts, nor make any sense. I'm sorry it upsets you that I call you out on your bullshit.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He was targeting the Sarlacc tentacles that were wrapped around his entire body and strangling him lmfao The tentacles on every side of him that are trying to kill him are going to be the primary focus of his attack.

So you are arguing that Galen is powerful enough to injure Shaak with an indirect hit, but at the same time not powerful enough to repulse Saarlac tentacles with an indirect hit? You are less consistant than feminazis.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Being able to call interference into a fight whenever you want based on what's convenient for you is hardly a minimal or nonexistant edge. If Shaak is in a tough spot, she can divert Galen's attention with a Sarlaac tentacle attack. If she wants to divert his attention to force him into an opening, she can use the Sarlaac to her advantage. That seems like a pretty notable advantage to me.

Except it doesn't happen. Well it happens once in both the novel and the comic. In the comic it results to Shaak lowering her defenses and getting surprised, in the novel it does literally nothing. Galen repuleses the tentacles and everything is back to normal.

Show me a quote where Shaak gained an edge from it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Even if Shaak has to divert telepathic power to use the Sarlaac, it is something she can tactically use to split Galen's attention when tactically convenient, and that forces Galen to not place himself in a position in that environment that makes him vulnerable to the Sarlaac.

Except it didn't happen, right the contrary. Galen constantly wounded the Saarlac to slow down Shaak.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If a bunch of native Felucians are attacking Galen while he's fighting Shaak, then that is a pretty substantive advantage that doesn't require Shaak to divert any of her power, but forces Galen to split his power and focus.

Only happened in the game.

Well, sorry Emp. Zoltan pussied out at the idea of facing me. I can handle Selenial or Wolf for you if they try to intervene so it's not a constant 3v1.

If you don't respond I'll just take over. Zoltan can choose to respond to that or not.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You mean unlike Shaak? Anyhow, QTE is still gameplay so not canonically binding.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I'm done trying to get the point through to you...

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Because he's a f-ucking imbecile, I don't even read his posts, let alone debate him.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
This is some pretty retarded arguments. So you are arguing that she sensed the attack coming yet was stunned mid sentence? Makes perfect sense 🙄

I have a simpler theory, she was interrupted by the attack.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
It's a comic lmao, she could easily stand up between two panels. I find it funny how you think an attack can cause serious injury and be pathetic enough not to blow her off of her feat at once. A puny f-ucking push can blow people off of their feat and it causes no injury at all.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Well you kinda make shit up all the time that are neither backed up by facts, nor make any sense. I'm sorry it upsets you that I call you out on your bullshit.

Because despite how much you like to rip on Joker for wanking Ahsoka, you seem to take Shaak Ti wank a lot more personally and emotionally than he takes Ahsoka wank. I'd hate to see what kinda tantrum you'd throw if the two of you ever debated Shaak vs Ahsoka honestly. The amount of salt Joker wanking Ahsoka and arguing against Shaak Ti would generate within you would honestly make Trigglypuff seem calm and mature by comparison.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
So you are arguing that Galen is powerful enough to injure Shaak with an indirect hit, but at the same time not powerful enough to repulse Saarlac tentacles with an indirect hit? You are less consistant than feminazis.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Except it doesn't happen. Well it happens once in both the novel and the comic. In the comic it results to Shaak lowering her defenses and getting surprised, in the novel it does literally nothing. Galen repuleses the tentacles and everything is back to normal.

Show me a quote where Shaak gained an edge from it.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Except it didn't happen, right the contrary. Galen constantly wounded the Saarlac to slow down Shaak.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Only happened in the game.

Why does this look familiar...

Holy shit are you seriously copying Ant's debating style?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Why does this look familiar...

Holy shit are you seriously copying Ant's debating style?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
His debating style? What are you talking about?

Nevermind. Yours doesn't compare to Ant's.

Proceed😛

@DMB

Because she was in the middle of an attack sequence where she was attacking him. It's not like she wasn't attacking him prior to making that strike.

By that same logic, why would Galen raise his lightsaber reflexively to that attack if he had already blocked that attack and she didn't make any more attack.

It's obvious that Galen raising his blade was reflexively due to him charging her, which was happening before he blocked her strike, and before she even initiated that strike to begin with considering she was already in an attack sequence.

And that's all fine and dandy, but first keep in mind how Shaak striked him. Three blows for three words:

"On her last three words, she struck three blows that each partially found their mark."

So there'd be a pause between each attack, allowing Galen to raise his attack in defense. Next do remember that Shaak already tagged Galen twice, in portions of his body that she couldn't possibly reach if he had already raised his lightsaber:

"The first burned a sizzling line down the apprentice's left shoulder. The second scored diagonally across his chest. The third would have skewered his right eye had he not held her back at the last minute with a desperate telekinetic block that stopped her lightsaber barely a millimeter from his skin.

She got one solid strike across his chest and sent a line down his shoulder. If he had raised his lightsaber via reflex and kept it there for the span of three words(lol), I doubt Shaak wouldn't be impaled just by the first strike.

The semantics on what Shaak Ti did are irrelevant to this discussion, however practically means that what she did was close enough to that action, and Galen wondering if she got impaled intentionally, both mean that she still moved into his attack while she was attacking him.

The fact of the matter that you seem to be so desperately trying to make yourself willfully ignorant of is that Galen wouldn't have been wondering if it was a mutually assured destruction outcome attempt if Shaak's attack succeeding wouldn't have obviously ended with her impaled on his blade.

But again: that's just Galen's musings based around Ti leaving herself exposed. Her "practically" doing it means it's almost as if she actually meant to do that, but that would hardly be the case because that in of itself would make Shaak Ti absolutely fvcking retarded which doesn't make sense for one of the best tactitions of the Clone Wars who impressed Palpatine himself.

So after Galen blocked her strike, she moved herself through most of the length of his blade?

The novel details she jumped/leapt at Galen, which is why she couldn't really stop herself or her momentum.

If he was raising it as she was attacking, then his blade would be moving to impale her just as her attack was moving to impale his face, which would've still ended in Shaak being impaled.

You trying to say he raised his blade after he blocked her attack still has absolutely no basis, even by your own logic.

You're saying that Galen raising his blade before her strike makes no sense since he wouldn't be acting reflexively to anything she was doing, even though that strike was at the end of an attack sequence where she was already on the offensive and levying strikes against him. He could've been acting reflexively to the attack sequence as a whole, or her moving towards him, or while she was striking at him, but by your own logic him reflexively raising his blade after he already blocked her strike makes no ****ing sense.

You are saying that Shaak Ti got impaled after her strike failed, when the text saying that she moved into his blade in the desperation of her final assault, and when Galen is wondering if she intended for them to both take each other out at the same time, which for his musing to have any logical basis means he either raised his blade prior to or at the same time as he blocked the attack, which means Shaak Ti would've still been impaled on his blade even if the attack succeeded.

I countered all of this above. I don't feel the need to repeat myself down here.

You are trying to twist words, use semantics, and aim for far-fetched interpretations of the text to support the narrative that makes Shaak Ti look better, despite the text making it abundantly clear that if Galen hadn't blocked the strike they would've taken each other out, and the reasoning you are using to argue that Galen raising his blade before her strike makes no sense applies even moreso to the notion that Galen raised his blade after he blocked her strike.

And you're trying to ignore context, omit parts of the duel and sell your own interpretation of an event described by a fallible source who himself considered it pure luck he managed to block her attack and stab her. Of course, you also ignore the state in which Ti left him after their little duel. Where she only got pierced once, Galen had a dozen wounds and looked like he was mauled by a rancor:

"STARKILLER SEEMED CAUTIOUSLY ECSTATIC ON his return to the Rogue Shadow, even though he looked as though he had been mauled by a rancor. His combat uniform was rent in a dozen new places, and blood leaked from as many small wounds."

It's made fairly clear that Shaak was his superior, even if by a slight margin.

Originally posted by MythLord
And that's all fine and dandy,

Originally posted by MythLord
but first keep in mind how Shaak striked him. Three blows for three words:

"On her last three words, she struck three blows that each partially found their mark."

So there'd be a pause between each attack, allowing Galen to raise his attack in defense. Next do remember that Shaak already tagged Galen twice, in portions of his body that she couldn't possibly reach if he had already raised his lightsaber:.

What you are suggesting here makes no ****ing sense.

Originally posted by MythLord
"The first burned a sizzling line down the apprentice's left shoulder. The second scored diagonally across his chest. The third would have skewered his right eye had he not held her back at the last minute with a desperate telekinetic block that stopped her lightsaber barely a millimeter from his skin.

She got one solid strike across his chest and sent a line down his shoulder. If he had raised his lightsaber via reflex and kept it there for the span of three words(lol), I doubt Shaak wouldn't be impaled just by the first strike.

Galen raising his blade after Shaak's last strike though? What the **** is that in reaction to?

Originally posted by MythLord
But again: that's just Galen's musings based around Ti leaving herself exposed. Her "practically" doing it means it's almost as if she actually meant to do that, but that would hardly be the case because that in of itself would make Shaak Ti absolutely fvcking retarded which doesn't make sense for one of the best tactitions of the Clone Wars who impressed Palpatine himself.

The novel details she jumped/leapt at Galen, which is why she couldn't really stop herself or her momentum.

If he didn't raise his blade until after her attack failed then he wouldn't be wondering if she intentionally moved to kill them both at the same time. I don't get why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp Wollf. If Shaak Ti's attack succeeding would've prevented her from being stabbed, then Galen would not have been wondering if she was going for a mutual destruction outcome, and he wouldn't have been noting her as moving into his blade in the desperation of her final attack, not after it.

Originally posted by MythLord
I countered all of this above. I don't feel the need to repeat myself down here.

Originally posted by MythLord
And you're trying to ignore context, omit parts of the duel and sell your own interpretation of an event described by a fallible source who himself considered it pure luck he managed to block her attack and stab her.

Wollf, there is a reason you are the only person on the forums who I have ever seen make this argument, and it is because other Shaak wankers like Zoltan and Sel recognize that this is an argument with no basis.

The text does not say Galen raised his blade after he blocked her strike, and his musings are evidence that his blade was raised before he telekinetically blocked it because she moved into his blade during her attack and that for the possibility to exist of her attempting a mutually assured destruction outcome her attack succeeding would've still ended in her being impaled on her blade.

All of the evidence supports my position, and none of the evidence supports your position. That is why nobody else in the history of the forums and Shaak Ti wankers has ever used this ****ing argument, and why none of your fellow Shaak Ti wankers have adopted this argument.

Originally posted by MythLord
Of course, you also ignore the state in which Ti left him after their little duel.

Where she only got pierced once, Galen had a dozen wounds and looked like he was mauled by a rancor:

"STARKILLER SEEMED CAUTIOUSLY ECSTATIC ON his return to the Rogue Shadow, even though he looked as though he had been mauled by a rancor. His combat uniform was rent in a dozen new places, and blood leaked from as many small wounds."

Galen's physical appearance doesn't change either of those facts, so you acting as if I'm ignoring it when it has nothing to do with my point is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to make it look like I'm being disingenuous and ignoring context, and it's an accusation with no weight behind it all things considered.

Originally posted by MythLord
It's made fairly clear that Shaak was his superior, even if by a slight margin.

DMB's soloing in a 3v1, LMFAO.

The Ti fans mental gymnastics right now:

Haven't read the thread, but figured. 🙂

It's pretty funny coming from the 2 guys who never had the balls to debate Sel on Shaak vs Ahsoka. So all you are left with is butthurt comments 🙂

I'll respond to DMB after my exam.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
It's pretty funny coming from the 2 guys who never had the balls to debate Sel on Shaak vs Ahsoka.

Ahsoka eats Shaak for Breakfast 🙂

DMB 👆