Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It's pretty retarded that you're using Ahsoka to lowball, and to ignore Fisto's feats, and suggest beating droids built to fight off weak jedi (your own admission of the jedi in that era) is better than beating Fisto when he's beat magnaguards who can react to jedi in the prime of it's order, and have been stated to have lightspeed (maybe it was fraction of lightspeed) reaction speed.
Was near lightspeed the reactions.
Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation.- ROTS novelization
It's odd that Freshest is accusing me of deflecting the topic. I don't see anything in that last post pertaining to Vader vs Revan. Just on my case about Ventress, missing the whole point as to why she was brought up. All the while struggling, and lowballing her feats, then using Dooku as a measuring stick as a way to undermine, which is a failed attempt seeing as he hasn't even proven Revan's superiority over Ventress let alone Dooku. Again, feats only.
Where are you going with this, Freshest? Just curious.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It's odd that Freshest is accusing me of deflecting the topic. I don't see anything in that last post pertaining to Vader vs Revan. Just on my case about Ventress, missing the whole point as to why she was brought up. All the while struggling, and lowballing her feats, then using Dooku as a measuring stick as a way to undermine, which is a failed attempt seeing as he hasn't even proven Revan's superiority over Ventress let alone Dooku. Again, feats only.
Have no fear. If Freshest can't, I will. 👆
I have confidence in him though. He's a better debater than you.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I agree with S66 in regards to the implications of Vader's advanced force knowledge. Basing his esoteric prowess solely on what he's shown is ludicrous, as then it can be said that Vitiate is relatively ignorant compared to the likes of Exar Kun, who's shown quite a greater variety of powers than Vitiate. That said, Revan still has the edge in esoteric knowledge and application.
I knew you understood where I was going with this. I assume you still know my stance, right?
@Zenwolf--thanks.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Have no fear. If Freshest can't, I will. 👆I have confidence in him though. He's a better debater than you.
How do you win a debate against people missing the point?
No, you won't. I recall you posting Ventress manipulating small rocks and compared it to Revan manipulating meteorites, lol.
Found it. 👆 As I suspected:
"Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure"
-- Star Wars: The Dark Empire Sourcebook
That being said, Gideon kindly presented all the powers that apply to this (everything listed in the Dark Empire Sourcebook). Majority were basic powers, the others Revan had. Only a few he didn't - like Wormholes, Dopplegänger, etc. Plus, like psmith said, this is a generic quote that has been said for the likes of Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd, and Thon as well. Not really as special as you make it out to be, TBH.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I question 6. In Jedi vs Sith, Palpatine put so much emphasis on what he did keep secret from Vader. With such emphasis, the implication to me seemed that he shared much with Vader, other than things that could be used against him. Even Sidious' dark side adepts knew drain and various sorts of alchemy. Jerec gained a whole bunch of rare techniques from the limited access of secrets which Palpatine allowed him. Logically, Vader, being the direct apprentice, should know far more than any adept, hence the large amount of jealousy towards Vader.Palpatine had the largest collection of knowledge than any being within the mythos, and Vader had access to a lot of it.
Vader > Revan in everything else, though.
Well, that means that he shouldn't be underestimated, but it's not enough to put him even close to Revan. And Vader likely wasn't allowed to have access to the same knowledge as those dark side acolytes simply because he would use it much better than them, and that would be dangerous for Palpatine.
That would explain why we don't see him use that many powers in combat, though that's probably also because Vader is a Sith Juggernaut.
He was implied however to known many more powers than the ones listed in the Shadows Of The Empire Sourcebook. It was also stated that Galen Marek learned to use "many fearsome dark side powers" from Vader, so that's at least proof that he is no slouch in this regard.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
Well, that means that he shouldn't be underestimated, but it's not enough to put him even close to Revan. And Vader likely wasn't allowed to have access to the same knowledge as those dark side acolytes simply because he would use it much better than them, and that would be dangerous for Palpatine.That would explain why we don't see him use that many powers in combat, though that's probably also because Vader is a Sith Juggernaut.
He was implied however to known many more powers than the ones listed in the Shadows Of The Empire Sourcebook. It was also stated that Galen Marek learned to use "many fearsome dark side powers" from Vader, so that's at least proof that he is no slouch in this regard.
He has shown other powers though, IE: Beast Control, Mind Control, Drain Knowledge, Alter Environment, Barrier, Detoxify Poison, Force Absorb, Force Stun and so on.
So there is some truth that he learned from Palpatine.
Originally posted by psmith81992
No, that's not hyperbole.
Hyperbole are statements like Vitiate is godlike, and other statements used to hype him up.
Palpatine perhaps knowing every technique is supported, as he had an entire galaxy at his disposal to dig up. Fast learning rate. And decades to study.
The statement isn't exaggerated, just unquantifiable (hence the word "almost"😉 and something that was said to be believed.
Of course I wouldn't expect you to know this. Don't throw out what you believe to be a big fancy word just to make yourself seem smart, unless you know its meaning.
Your wife must be lonely, BTW. Does she know about me? I bet she'd be jealous of all the obsessive attention you give me.
*waits for I know you are but what am I?*
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I find this thread interesting. Go on.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Temp - this is your champion? 😂
I like ya Ant, and I mean this with all due respect, but you are absolutely no match for S66. Now if you could enlist Skillz to enter the fray on SWTOR's behalf, the outcome might very well be different...
Originally posted by The_Tempest
but you are absolutely no match for S66.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwaRQ-_kgy8
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There's a reason why everyone is laughing at him in this thread Temp.
mmm
An appeal to the majority is a logical fallacy. "Everyone" also thinks Sidious would blitz Vitiate and annihilate Revan... does that make them right?
{This is why S66 is going to stomp you unless you have Skillz on your side. excellent}