Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by cdtm
And Toriyama said he'll never catch up to Beerus?

If he's hitting Kaioken 100 and still not stronger, it's going to make the Beerus look kind of ridiculous. Why even get excited to fight an opponent that forces you to burn up all of 1% of your power? Why not fight Mr. Satan on his level, it's all the same thing.

Originally posted by carver9
Just found out. Hit punched Goku 800 times in .2 seconds. Thats not a trillion times like everyone expected but that far above 1 time like everyone was saying. Also, Hit becomes stronger as the fight goes on. Thats his ability. The harder the opponent is he fights, the stronger he becomes. This is the reason he lets Goku back up and it might be the reason Goku loses.

I'm curious, where'd the 800 come from? Did someone count it or was it said somewhere?

Originally posted by bbrem123
The first part is true. Not sure about the second though.

Episode 40 Spoiler --->

Spoiler:
Ep. 40 Title: “The Conclusion “

"The tournament against universe 6 for the fate of the earth has finally come to a close. Furious at Hit and his teammates for losing, Champa tries to destroy them. As Cabba and others is Frozen in terror, someone enters the ring ... "

So

Spoiler:
Goku wins against Hit. Good, glad to read that. I hope they show that Champa is still far above the likes of Goku.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm curious, where'd the 800 come from? Did someone count it or was it said somewhere?

It was said in a youtube vid from someone that translate but looking at the episode, he isn't trust worthy. I can post the vid if you want.

Originally posted by cdtm
Nah, Hal Jordan froze the entire Earth back in the day, because he was fed up with being a Green Lantern and wanted to pick a successor. While he's thinking, Clark Kent walks up to him, and gives him a pep talk. Of course, Hal doesn't think to ask why he could move at all. 🙂

That's Byrne era, early 90's. Flash is waaay faster.

Waverider was in that same vicinity when that happened and he knows Clark is Superman. I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. Then we have late Superman being affected by time stop.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Nah. I have never seen anything in comic to compete with that speed. Goku's speed feat is so crazy it doesn't even make sense.

Then you need to read more comics.

what has been superior to that? If you don't mind giving examples of all these speed feats

Time is stopped. Not slowed.

Can we really not talk about anything other than Super in here?

Create a vs thread, take it elsewhere.

Originally posted by bbrem123
what has been superior to that? If you don't mind giving examples of all these speed feats

Time is stopped. Not slowed.

Actually, it's skipped. Like how Zoom II's power works.

Since the power affects Hit locally, and not the environment, it's not likely speed stops, but that he speeds up relative to it.

The show says plain as day he stops time.

Like I said. It doesn't make sense but it still happened.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It also makes sense now why Goku and Vegeta are so uber on the beginning of Super...

I mean, they already had beastly feats in Buu Saga fillers. Remember Base Vegeta hurting SSJ3 Gotenks inside Buu? Or SSJ2 Goku fighting evenly with Mystic Gohan? 😄

Originally posted by cdtm
Actually, it's skipped. Like how Zoom II's power works.

Since the power affects Hit locally, and not the environment, it's not likely speed stops, but that he speeds up relative to it.

Are you really going there? Don't try to take away from Goku ft. You're trolling again. Hater.

Originally posted by bbrem123
The show says plain as day he stops time.

Like I said. It doesn't make sense but it still happened.

The subs I watched, they used the word "skip" to discribe what he was doing. Skipping seconds.

And the ability was compared to Whis and his sister, who clearly move through time, rather then manipulate it.

Originally posted by cdtm
The subs I watched, they used the word "skip" to discribe what he was doing. Skipping seconds.

And the ability was compared to Whis and his sister, who clearly move through time, rather then manipulate it.

We clearly see time is being stopped and the Patrol guy even tells us time is being stopped. No going around this, especially when we clearly see time at a halt on screen.

Yep. People are getting way too caught up in the semantics of what is said. Hit stops time for everyone but himself. We literally see that in this episode. But, for everyone else, it seems as if Hit skips time.

Proof that Hit freeze time.

https://youtu.be/Ja2p0_2BXjU

Jaco even tells us Hit freeze time.

Originally posted by carver9
The DBZ anime is canon. They are pulling clips from DBZ anime to reference past events.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Yea same here^ So is the Pikkon fight non canon still?

Though, still makes me wonder how Guldo and Hits abilities stand up to each other.

He was dead when he did Super Kaio-ken... probably that's why it could work.

Originally posted by ares834
Yep. People are getting way too caught up in the semantics of what is said. Hit stops time for everyone but himself. We literally see that in this episode. But, for everyone else, it seems as if Hit skips time.

Exactly. He is trying to say it's not time stop because of the name. If he is basing moves off of their name then we can make Dragonball Z on up look even better. Here is Tien move and this is early Dragonball. Let's look at the name of his move and what it means.

Thanks CDTM...you made Dragonball Z look even more beastly. Move name for the win.

Hit's time-stop acts extremely weirdly, moreso when you consider this episode.

By that I mean, if Goku can some predict ahead and block/counter what hit does by 0.1 seconds, then Hit shouldn't be capable of going toe-to-toe with SSJB Goku without the time-stop at all.

But there was a point he was doing just that, he wasn't using time-stop, but he was able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for countless blows and even blocked a punch, and Goku asked why aren't you using your time-stop during that exchange.

And then he tried, Goku was frozen, but as soon as the blow as about to land, Hit got countered. Hit said he would just try to be more unpredictable with his 0.1 second time-leap, but Goku said its hard to change your natural reaction in such a "short time".

Maybe Hit's time-stop not only stops everything else, maybe it slows his natural speed down why he is using it. It even looked like he was going in slow motion to punch goku while goku was frozen.

That would at least explain why 0.1 seconds seems like a short amount of time to him, as opposed to a very, very long time like it should, because maybe in exchange for a time-stop all around, he himself gets slowed down.

If that's the weakness of the technique, it would also explain why Goku is able to block/counter at the last moment just as a 0.1 seconds is ending, meaning Hit still needs a moment to get back up to his native-speed once the time-stop is no longer in effect.

Hopefully that makes sense.