Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hit's time-stop acts extremely weirdly, moreso when you consider this episode.

By that I mean, if Goku can some predict ahead and block/counter what hit does by 0.1 seconds, then Hit shouldn't be capable of going toe-to-toe with SSJB Goku without the time-stop at all.

But there was a point he was doing just that, he wasn't using time-stop, but he was able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for countless blows and even blocked a punch, and Goku asked why aren't you using your time-stop during that exchange.

And then he tried, Goku was frozen, but as soon as the blow as about to land, Hit got countered. Hit said he would just try to be more unpredictable with his 0.1 second time-leap, but Goku said its hard to change your natural reaction in such a "short time".

Maybe Hit's time-stop not only stops everything else, maybe it slows his natural speed down why he is using it. It even looked like he was going in slow motion to punch goku while goku was frozen.

That would at least explain why 0.1 seconds seems like a short amount of time to him, as opposed to a very, very long time like it should, because maybe in exchange for a time-stop all around, he himself gets slowed down.

If that's the weakness of the technique, it would also explain why Goku is able to block/counter at the last moment just as a 0.1 seconds is ending, meaning Hit still needs a moment to get back up to his native-speed once the time-stop is no longer in effect.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Very possible^

It seems that he was still moving at incredible speeds when he fought Goku at the end of the episode though.

I actually think he was using his technique the whole fight. There is a point where Hit is time stopping every attack. They from the normal looking fight to that which makes me think it was showing how the real fight was happening.

He seems to be just as strong as Goku but lacks way behind in the speed department without his time stop.

Man that episode was fantastic, I'm really curious how far Hit will push his time jump ability. I'm not sure if he's holding back or if it's where he's learning on the fly, since he was at 0.1 then 0.2 and finally we see against Kaioken Goku he goes 0.5. I'm curious if next episode he'll reach a whole second.

I also really liked how Vegeta stated Goku used his fight against Hit to learn a bit or whatever, made it a bit better how at least Vegeta didn't get bodied for no reason lol.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hit's time-stop acts extremely weirdly, moreso when you consider this episode.

By that I mean, if Goku can somehow predict ahead and block/counter what hit does by 0.1 seconds, then Hit shouldn't be capable of going toe-to-toe with SSJB Goku without the time-stop at all.

But there was a point he was doing just that, he wasn't using time-stop, but he was able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for countless blows and even blocked a punch, and Goku asked why aren't you using your time-stop during that exchange.

And then he tried, Goku was frozen, but as soon as the blow as about to land, Hit got countered. Hit said he would just try to be more unpredictable with his 0.1 second time-leap, but Goku said its hard to change your natural reaction in such a "short time".

Maybe Hit's time-stop not only stops everything else, maybe it slows his natural speed down while he is using it. It even looked like he was going in slow motion to punch goku while goku was frozen.

That would at least explain why 0.1 seconds seems like a short amount of time to him, as opposed to a very, very long time like it should, because maybe in exchange for a time-stop all around, he himself gets slowed down.

If that's the weakness of the technique, it would also explain why Goku is able to block/counter at the last moment just as the 0.1 seconds is ending, meaning Hit still needs a moment to get back up to his native-speed once the time-stop is no longer in effect.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Quote editing. Annoying typos, can't edit past 15 minutes. 😠

Originally posted by carver9
Proof that Hit freeze time.

https://youtu.be/Ja2p0_2BXjU

Jaco even tells us Hit freeze time.

A channel using stills from some unnamed fansubber is proof?

The spoiler page posted earlier is about as valid then:

http://en.yibada.com/articles/114472/20160406/dragon-ball-super-episode-38-40-synopses-and-provisional-titles-revealed-tokitobashi-or-time-skipping-technique-spoilers.htm

I usually follow Ken X Kyo, who does rush jobs, and even with mistakes he comes the closest to Dragon Team, generally considered the definitive fan subbers (I believe Galan posted some of their DBZ scans awhile back, to compare them with other groups).

Originally posted by bbrem123
Very possible^

It seems that he was still moving at incredible speeds when he fought Goku at the end of the episode though.

I actually think he was using his technique the whole fight. There is a point where Hit is time stopping every attack. They from the normal looking fight to that which makes me think it was showing how the real fight was happening.

He seems to be just as strong as Goku but lacks way behind in the speed department without his time stop.

They were fighting during time stop the entire time when Goku went red. Also, Hit is extremely fast. Remember, after he powered up, he was matching Goku. Also, Hit blitzed the Hell out of Goku during that time stop moment. All of those punches Hit used against Goku happened in .2 seconds.

Also, before going red Goku was reacting to Hit during time stop. Hell, when he was getting blitzed punched when time was stopped he was still reacting. Him going Red just gave him the speed to dominate Hit while time was at a halt.

Originally posted by cdtm
A channel using stills from some unnamed fansubber is proof?

The spoiler page posted earlier is about as valid then:

http://en.yibada.com/articles/114472/20160406/dragon-ball-super-episode-38-40-synopses-and-provisional-titles-revealed-tokitobashi-or-time-skipping-technique-spoilers.htm

I usually follow Ken X Kyo, who does rush jobs, and even with mistakes he comes the closest to Dragon Team, generally considered the definitive fan subbers (I believe Galan posted some of their DBZ scans awhile back, to compare them with other groups).

Glad you admit Tien punch at light speed at his weakest.

Oh, I see... Just watched the sub. It's not that Goku was so fast he could move while time's frozen, he's just too powerful for Hit's technique to affect him now.

Originally posted by carver9
Glad you admit Tien punch at light speed at his weakest.

If he did, why wouldn't I?

But I'm at work, so haven't read most of the posts yet. 😛

Originally posted by cdtm
If he did, why wouldn't I?

But I'm at work, so haven't read most of the posts yet. 😛

Here is the part where Jaco explains time leap. He say Hit FREEZE TIME for 0.1 second. He then goes on to say that Hit STOPS TIME. Can't get any clearer than this.

https://youtu.be/5QqnedKRYdA

Nice try at downplaying though.

Originally posted by carver9
They were fighting during time stop the entire time when Goku went red.

No proof of that.

Hit tried the time stop, Goku was moving somewhat slowly during it, but he was moving. Hit was shocked that Goku could move, and Goku's punch seemed to knock him out of it.

The time stop looking effect was no longer there after Hit got gut punched, so either Goku knocked him out of it, or the time stop effect ran out.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
No proof of that.

Hit tried the time stop, Goku was moving somewhat slowly during it, but he was moving. Hit was shocked that Goku could move, and Goku's punch seemed to knock him out of it.

The time stop looking effect was no longer there after Hit got gut punched, so either Goku knocked him out of it, or the time stop effect ran out.

That's the reason I think time stop was being used. When Hit used it, Goku hair remained white. Also, a noise is made. Listen to the noise that is made when Hit catch Goku Kamehameha...he used time stop yet again and it does nothing. He used it imo. That entire scene happened during time stop.

Yep, looked at it again...he used it again on the Kamehameha and Goku some type of rush attack.

Alson, that slow down affect that happened when Goku and Hit charged either other had nothing to do with time slowing their movement down...it was a slow mo effect that happens when people clash in movies. Hit was even in that slow mo affect when Goku moved through time and we both know that Hit can use his speed when time is at a halt. We've seen it on multiple of occasions. Time stop does nothing to him, it affect his opponents.

Best episode to date for me, that was fun. I liked the Kaioken making a comeback and Goku explaining he's been practicing with it.

No need to nitpick it to death really.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Best episode to date for me, that was fun. I liked the Kaioken making a comeback and Goku explaining he's been practicing with it.

No need to nitpick it to death really.

Come on. It was already called that a few consistent peeps were going to nitpick it instead of watching the show. Which DBZ fight is comparable to that one iyo?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Best episode to date for me, that was fun. I liked the Kaioken making a comeback and Goku explaining he's been practicing with it.

No need to nitpick it to death really.

I agree, it was a pretty neat effect. Sure, it's totally predictible, but at least they're putting some thought into why Goku hasn't busted out the Kaio Ken before, or why he waited so long to use it now.

The "10% chance of working" better come with a few failures, before he starts perfecting it though.

And if we really want to nitpick, it should be Beerus saying Super Kaioken can't beat him. Didn't Whis tell Goku and Vegeta they could have a shot at beating Beerus if they team up? Shouldn't he know, since he could KO Beerus?

Was he lying to them? Or is he really bad at judging power levels?

Originally posted by Yamcha
Man that episode was fantastic, I'm really curious how far Hit will push his time jump ability. I'm not sure if he's holding back or if it's where he's learning on the fly, since he was at 0.1 then 0.2 and finally we see against Kaioken Goku he goes 0.5. I'm curious if next episode he'll reach a whole second.

I also really liked how Vegeta stated Goku used his fight against Hit to learn a bit or whatever, made it a bit better how at least Vegeta didn't get bodied for no reason lol.

Wonder if there's Tuffles in Universe 6?

Originally posted by carver9
Come on. It was already called that a few consistent peeps were going to nitpick it instead of watching the show. Which DBZ fight is comparable to that one iyo?

It definitely reminded me of the fights of old, but I don't know if I have one I'd compare it to. I'm glad that I'll have a fight to go back to and watch just because it's entertaining in Super.

Did you have a fight in mind?

Originally posted by cdtm
I agree, it was a pretty neat effect. Sure, it's totally predictible, but at least they're putting some thought into why Goku hasn't busted out the Kaio Ken before, or why he waited so long to use it now.

The "10% chance of working" better come with a few failures, before he starts perfecting it though.

And if we really want to nitpick, it should be Beerus saying Super Kaioken can't beat him. Didn't Whis tell Goku and Vegeta they could have a shot at beating Beerus if they team up? Shouldn't he know, since he could KO Beerus?

Was he lying to them? Or is he really bad at judging power levels?

Yeah, it wasn't the most eloquent explanation or anything but at least there was one. Also very glad that Kamehameha didn't take Hit out.

Oh yeah, if he doesn't lose SSJB once or twice for trying it in the future it'll be dumb.

I think Beerus is just being arrogant. Vegeta put it well, he wants to see the Kaioken in action until it's actually right in front of him. I can't imagine Goku and hit are really all that much weaker than Beerus and Champa at this point.