As of Super DB characters are supposed to have high durability. Yet in Rof We have Vegeta/18/Buu/Goten/Trunks supposedly dying from a planet blowing up in their face: Vegeta was in SSJG to boot. This makes at least 3 instances where supposed planet busters have died from a planet blowing up hence my question.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
But this isn't the first time planet busters have died from planets blowing up in DBZ. And with Super dishing out new feats, that called into question their durability.Nonetheless would've though SSJG covered a vacuum after seeing Goku vs Beerus but guess not. So its still lame.
Give me an example of a planet exploding on a DBZ character and them dying? I think you are trying to hard.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Lets see here we have Goku, the Saiyans, The victims of Kid Buu blowing up the Earth, and now we have DBZ characters dying from Frieza blowing it up.
Lolol..
Like I've said, you are trying too hard. Cell energy killed Goku. Cell could've killed Goku with a blast that didn't even lay waste to a building. This doesn't mean that Goku have building level durability, it means that Cell is powerful enough (and he was since he gathered all of his energy into one attack which is the reason Goku died) to kill Goku.
F*** man. Buu energy killed the Z fighters. Hell Goku thought the Z fighters were still alive. Anyways, the same applies here. Buu energy killed the Z fighters, not a planet explosion. Buu could've hit the Z fighters with an attack that wouldn't even lift the dirt off the ground and he could've killed them. Do you not agree with this?
I asked you to tell me when a Z fighter died from a planets explosion, not by an energy attack.
Question, teen Goku tanked a nuke like explosion from Junior that leveled a huge a** island. Could first form Frieza kill Goku with a casual attack that destructive force isn't as collateral as junior nuke like attack?
Of what I mentioned the only case you could've actually argued is Cell: and even then Cell's attack was solely planet busting in scope and Cell had regressed to a form weaker than FPSSJ Goku when it happened. In the case of the Saiyans, Kid Buu, and Frieza: the victims weren't all near the attack itself. The reason why my question of durability is being brought up again is because of Super and RoF: the later adds to the routine of planet explosions being a threat.
Edit: My bad about the Kid Buu case, Piccolo/Trunks/Gohan were near the attack. Though considering the drop in power the Buu underwent, why would his attack still be a threat?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Of what I mentioned the only case you could've actually argued is Cell: and even then Cell's attack was solely planet busting in scope and Cell had regressed to a form weaker than FPSSJ Goku when it happened. In the case of the Saiyans, Kid Buu, and Frieza: the victims weren't all near the attack itself. The reason why my question of durability is being brought up again is because of Super and RoF: the later adds to the routine of planet explosions being a threat.
Solely planet busting? This line of logic is ridiculous. There is not case to be made.
CELL killed Goku. Not a planets explosion, Cell did. Goku wasn't so far above Cell that he was unable to hurt Goku. Cell collected all of his energy; everything, in one attack. That should be able to kill Goku since the power difference wasn't that huge. A good example of this is, Chunks of Frieza survived Namek explosion.
Trunks killed Frieza with this...
No collateral damage at all. Just because the Z fighters and other characters have died from energy output from other characters, that doesn't mean said characters can not withstand a planet exploding on them. Question, how far are you taking this? If scans are posted of High Herald getting killed by room busting attacks, would you say someone like Krillin could kill them in a single hit? Trying to see how consistent you are. People like Thor, Superman, Hulk, and Silver Surfer got a lot of deaths and planets did not explode when they died.
If you know anything about Anime, hell, COMICS, you should know that collateral damage doesn't mean a thing. Galactus got taken out by a blast from Aegis and it didn't even raise the dirt off the ground. All of this is common sense.
What does this have to do with collateral damage, I'm talking about DBZ durability being beyond planet busting. In this case I'm referring to characters actually surviving the destruction of a planet a feat that, excluding the likes of Whis and Beerus, only 3 characters have survived.
Super argues in favor of high durability yet RoF shows that's its still an issue. In fact even if the character is stronger than the person initiating a planet busting attack, the planet's destruction is still a big deal should the attack itself land as the case of Buu and Frieza demonstrate.
Since we are debating collateral damage here...would any of these attacks hurt Saiyan Saga Vegeta?
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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
What does this have to do with collateral damage, I'm talking about DBZ durability being beyond planet busting. In this case I'm referring to characters actually surviving the destruction of a planet a feat that, excluding the likes of Whis and Beerus, only 3 characters have survived.Super argues in favor of high durability yet RoF shows that's its still an issue. In fact even if the character is stronger than the person initiating a planet busting attack, the planet's destruction is still a big deal should the attack itself land as the case of Buu and Frieza demonstrate.
Uuummmm, your entire argument is based off of collateral damage. Think about what you are arguing.
I'm not arguing collateral damage, I'm arguing whether or not the Z-fighters can survive a planet blowing up in their face.
All three of those characters would one-shot Saiyan Saga Vegeta. Odin would manhandle current Vegeta.
Edit: Yes I know how that above argument sounds but when supposed planet busters are routinely threatened by planet busting attacks regardless of whether or not the person attacking is more powerful, that raises some questions.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm not arguing collateral damage, I'm arguing whether or not the Z-fighters can survive a planet blowing up in their face.All three of those characters would one-shot Saiyan Saga Vegeta. Odin would manhandle current Vegeta.
Edit: Yes I know how that above argument sounds but when supposed planet busters are routinely threatened by planet busting attacks regardless of whether or not the person attacking is more powerful, that raises some questions.
Its not a planet exploding on them though. It's KI ENERGY that is killing them. Do you not see the difference? Wait a minute. Are you implying that Namekian Frieza is more durable than Goku who Cell killed? There's a lot of evidence going against this.
So you admit Saiyan Saga Vegeta wouldn't tank those attacks? Vegeta tanked this though and none of those attacks appeared as destructive.
Originally posted by carver9
Its not a planet exploding on them though. It's KI ENERGY that is killing them. Do you not see the difference? Wait a minute. Are you implying that Namekian Frieza is more durable than Goku who Cell killed? There's a lot of evidence going against this.So you admit Saiyan Saga Vegeta wouldn't tank those attacks? Vegeta tanked this though and none of those attacks appeared as destructive.
This is what I'm questioning. In RoF and in Buu's case, a planet did explode on the victims. Cell should've been weaker than FPSSJ Goku, certainly weaker than SSJ2 Gohan just as Kid Buu should've been weaker than Goku yet their attacks were still a big deal because they could destroy the planet. Heck even if we say that SSJG Vegeta died from the vacuum and not the planet blowing up, how is it that characters like Buu, Trunks, and 18 were also killed.
What does that have to do with my inquiry? I'm wondering whether or not Z-fighters can tank a planet's explosion, no ki involved. Super would argue in favor of this yet Buu and Rof show results that are against it. Will Super change things so that the even of RoF will also support this, probably but it would be nice to know.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
This is what I'm questioning. In RoF and in Buu's case, a planet did explode on the victims. Cell should've been weaker than FPSSJ Goku, certainly weaker than SSJ2 Gohan just as Kid Buu should've been weaker than Goku yet their attacks were still a big deal because they could destroy the planet. Heck even if we say that SSJG Vegeta died from the vacuum and not the planet blowing up, how is it that characters like Buu, Trunks, and 18 were also killed.What does that have to do with my inquiry? I'm wondering whether or not Z-fighters can tank a planet's explosion, no ki involved. Super would argue in favor of this yet Buu and Rof show results that are against it. Will Super change things so that the even of RoF will also support this, probably but it would be nice to know.
Cell was weaker than Goku but he wasn't weak to the point of not being effective against Goku. He was powerful enough to kill him. Especially with him gathering all of his energy in one kamekazi attack.
Lol...of course their attack would be a big deal. Their peers or superior is trying to blow up the planet. Got a question for you (and please stop avoiding these questions)... let's replace Kid Buu with Saiyan Saga Vegeta and Vegeta shot his planet destroying Galic gun at Goku...would Goku have been worried? How about first Form Frieza? Let's replace kid Buu with first form Frieza and Frieza threw his planet destroying finger blast at Goku or Vegeta, would they have been worried? Please explain.
WTF...when Kid Buu blew up the planet, all of the Z fighter that was taken out of Buu were in the vicinity. Of course they would feel the blunt of the attack. Hell, the entire planet did since it was completely vaporized. Frieza would've died too...ya know, someone who has already withstood a planet exploding (not a KI exploding in their face). I ask you again, is Frieza more durable than Goku. Stop avoiding my questions.
Prove that 18 can survive in space.
We didn't see Buu through the entire movie. We don't know what happened to him.
Trunks can't breath in space. Whis Zaid they can not breath in space which could be the reason for their death. What more do you need?
Everything that you are basing Z fighter not being able to withstand a planets detonation is irrelevant because Ki attacks killed them, not a planets explosion. We do know that they can survive it though because Frieza, who is less durable than Goku, survived a planets explosion while being at near death, and Goku, who proved that his finger is more durable than Frieza entire body, should be able to walk through the same type of attack. Frieza even said Goku would probably survive Namek explosion...said he would die in the vacuum of space.
