Originally posted by NewGuy01Admittedly, this is a source of a lot of confusion, but aren't base saiyans equal to SSG now? Base Copy Vegeta was able to wreck SSJ3 Gotenks with ease. Base Goku was even with ROF Final Frieza who was above everyone else on the earth not named Whis/Beerus/Vegeta.
Nah, Frost is probably not much stronger than Frieza was on Namek. SSJ Vegeta wrecked him with one punch, lol.
I like DBS trying to get rid of the power levels and making characters more relevant but I don't think its going about it in a good way. Then again I guess it works because its basically like they are saying "Power Levels were always stupid. We don't give a **** about them any more. GET OVER IT." But still feels kind of...disrespectful I guess.
I like it tho.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nah, Frost is probably not much stronger than Frieza was on Namek. SSJ Vegeta wrecked him with one punch, lol.
...huh? 😬
U6 Tournament base form Vegeta would wreck Namek Frieza with a pinky, literally. RoF FF Frieza could kill 100,000 Namek Saga Frieza's, and Base Goku stalemated him. Frost absolutely poops on Namek Frieza.
I know these here were just mentioned as examples, but thinking about it again for a moment,
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
From the "power levels" school of thought, there is ZERO reason to put Krillin, much less master Roshi on the team. It should've been "Okay guys, lets go train Goten/Trunks in the ROSAT for a day." Or "lets teach everybody the fusion dance and borrow the potara earrings from the kais." Or "lets teach everybody the kaioken as opposed to just Goku using it all the time!" Or "lets train Gohan and get him up to SSB level after some training in the ROSAT!"The writers are against that.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeI think it would still average out as still the weakest. Because out of all the different races shown, 10 people being really powerful doesn't make up for the trillions that aren't much stronger than Radditz or Nappa. I mean low level saiyans on par with Radditz had been taking out planets without much effort.
I know these here were just mentioned as examples, but thinking about it again for a moment,If all the above there had happened with the RoSaT, I wonder how much higher universe 7 would be rated in Zen-Oh's calculations, if at all. Like would it still be the 2nd to weakest universe overall, or no?
Originally posted by Dark-KenshinI see, so they're against good writing and for bad writing.
The writers are against that. And not only are they against this school of thought, but have repeatedly made it clear that they will do whatever the f-ck they want to do regardless of the fandom's pet peeves or even basic logic. If they want Krillin to suffer a friggin bullet wound from an ordinary gun, they will suffer a bullet wound from an ordinary gun no questions asked. If they want Goku to suddenly outperform a bloodlusted Hit without kaioken x 10, they will do so no questions asked. If they want Future Trunks to go from being Dabura level to SSR Black level in like the blink of an eye, they will do so no questions asked. Hell, if they want Whis to deus ex machina Bulla into existence so that Vegeta will join the ToP, they will do so no question asked.
Sorry friend, but while I agree it is lame how the Saiyans basically made everyone else irrelevant in the series, fact of the matter is that's how the series was written, and to just ignore that is simply bad writing. The very idea that Krillin can hang with Goku or even Gohan at all is so stupid and laughable it's essentially indefensible.
Originally posted by Dark-KenshinThis guy is right tbh.
I can't believe you're calling it an exreme exaggeration when I'm simply going by what we saw on screen. He beat Gohan fair and square. Gohan acknowledged this and even said he had a lot to learn. He gave Goku a good enough fight to make him go SSJ. Goku was legitimately impressed by him. Chocking it up as rules and fan service is great, but the hard fact remains is that he should NOT be able to do either of these things going by the established canon. It's inconsistent with every prior event up until now. We have a word for that: Retcon. And I'll retract the words 'subtle' since I don't even think it's all that subtle. It's them saying "F-ck it! We'll do whatever the f-ck we want when we want it!"What I don't understand is why you're all that surprised. They did the exact same thing with having Piccolo give Frost a good fight despite Frost being at least roughly around Base Goku's level who was at least around ROF Final Form Frieza's level. They then went on to do the same thing with Future Trunks fighting Black. They haven't given a crap about power levels for some time now. This episode is just the most blatant example.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I see, so they're against good writing and for bad writing.Sorry friend, but while I agree it is lame how the Saiyans basically made everyone else irrelevant in the series, fact of the matter is that's how the series was written, and to just ignore that is simply bad writing. The very idea that Krillin can hang with Goku or even Gohan at all is so stupid and laughable it's essentially indefensible.
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Let's put it like this, Goku would not go all out against Krillin. It just ain't happening. The idea of this fight was to show Krillin tricks that would give him a pass in the tournament and to see how Krillin would adjust to overwhelming power. Goku literary stood there when he went blue. If he took this fight anywhere close to serious, he would've attacked Krillin. He stood there asking him "what are you going to do now Krillin". I wonder why he asked that? Think about it. The reason he kept powering up is, Goku knows there are opponents in this fight that is in his tier and Krillin will bump into them so he wants to know if Krillin will be ok. He is fighting Buu next time who will probably do good but remember, Goku isn't trying to kill them, he is seeing how they will do in this fight.
Look at that rationalization 😆
Yeah, Goku went SSJ Blue but was using base level power. It couldn't be Krillin flat out held off a Kamehameha 😂
He kicked Gohan out of bounds, that by itself should have been impossible.
So much for the vaunted Dragon Ball speed. Krillin kept up with a SSJ and SSJ Blue just fine, and even seemed a step ahead.