Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

I think they dont give a shit anymore. I can't find any sense to any of this. Fingers crossed the tournament makes up for it.

Yeah, trying to rationalize it with the SSB ki control or something like that can only take you so far before the show does something else crazy. Just try to enjoy it for what it is.

They have been contradicting themselves though. Vegeta said that him and Goku couldn't get stronger in their blue form; they are at their limit. This is incorrect since we have witness ourselves them becoming far more powerful. This show is starting to piss me off.

Ah yes. That too.

Toriyama himself basically said not too long ago (prior to this arc) that it doesn't matter what they even do now because of how huge Dragon Ball's become again, which to me is kinda their way of saying they don't have to give much a shit about consistency or things like that since they'll make good money off of Super regardless and the rabid fans out there will eat whatever they dish out. I don't want to paint this show as a cynical cashgrab, but that's sadly what it's looking more like now in some ways.

I just think no one should take it too seriously, it's really a fun series. I am not even at all bothered by those power levels.

Yeah, as long as it's still fun I can continue enjoying it, but is what it is.

One thing I really like about this arc is the opening song. I don't think I've ever replayed an OP song more than I have with this one. I just hope the actual episodes live up to the hype it creates.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, as long as it's still fun I can continue enjoying it, but is what it is.

👆

Dragonball was never good at consistency.

Just enjoy the ride and fights.

I'm just going to enjoy that more than saiyans will be getting the chance to do something cool.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Dragonball was never good at consistency.

Just enjoy the ride and fights.

Originally posted by Kento
I'm just going to enjoy that more than saiyans will be getting the chance to do something cool.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
This, definitely, which is why I'm kinda eager to see Piccolo get to push Gohan again (even as a super saiyan) next episode, just like old times.

When I think about Skinny buu gains, it reminds me of Gotenks ssj3 fighting copy base Vegeta, who Goku was tied with in his base. So does that mean skinny buu is stronger than Super buu and Gotenks?

And do you guys agree with this power scaling? I found on another forum.

Tier 0

Zenos

Tier 1

Zeno guards
Grand Priest

Tier 2: Angel Tier

Vados
Whis
Other Angels

Tier 3: GoD Tier

Other strong GoDs
Beerus, SSB Vegetto
Champa, Merged Zamasu (LoJ)
Other weaker GoDs

Tier 4: SSB+ Tier

Current SSBKKx10 Goku
Toppo
Weakened Merged Zamasu (LoJ), Spirit Trunks
Merged Zamasu (Initial), Current SSBKKx2 Goku
Current SSB Goku, Current SSB Vegeta, Current Hit
SSBKKx2 Goku (Zamasu ark), SSR Goku Black (Scythe)
SSB Vegeta (Zamasu ark post training), SSBKKx10 Goku (U6)
SSR Goku Black (Sword)
SSR Goku Black (initial), SSB Goku rage (Zamasu ark) SSB Goku (Zamasu ark later half)

Tier 5: SSB/SSG Tier

SSI Trunks, SSB Goku (Zamasu ark beginning), SSB Vegeta (Zamasu ark beginning), Hit (U6), Giant Bergamo, current Android 17
Golden Frieza, SSB Goku (U6), SSB Vegeta (U6)
Initial SSB Goku, initial SSB Vegeta, base Black Goku (post 1° Zenkai)
Suppressed Beerus
SSG Goku, Base Goku (god essence, vs Beerus), SSJ Goku (god essence, vs Beerus) future Zamasu

TIer 6: Upper tier Majin Buu Saga

Vegetto SSJ3
Current Goku SSJ3, Black Goku (in the present)
Vegetto SSJ2
Current Goku SSJ2, current Vegeta SSJ2
Future Trunks SSJ2, Rageta
Vegetto SSJ, present Zamasu
Current Goku SSJ, current Vegeta SSJ
Buuhan
Buutenks, Future Trunks SSJ, Bergamo
Mystic Gohan
Current Gohan SSJ
Current Base Goku, current Base Vegeta

Tier 7: Lower tier Majin Buu Saga

Cabba SSJ (U6)
Final Form Frost
Magetta
Base Cabba (U6), base Goku (U6), base Vegeta (U6)
Final Form Frieza (RoF), Base Goku (RoF)
Super Buu, Third Form Frost
Gotenks SSJ3
Slim Buu, Kid Buu
Base Future Trunks, Good Buu
Drugged Basil
Current Base Gohan, current Piccolo, Lavander, Basil, Tired final form Frost, Majin Vegeta

Tier 8: Upper Cell Ark tier

Ginew-Tagoma, Super Perfect Cell
Tagoma
Piccolo (U6), Perfect Cell (100%)
Base Gohan (RoF)
Piccolo (RoF), Suppressed Perfect Cell
Current Krillin, FPSSJ Goku @ Cell

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah, Z had some of its inconsistencies too, but Super took it to a whole new level.

If you are consistently inconsistent, is it even inconsistency anymore?

It's not just the inconsistency, but the magnitude of it.

Originally posted by Kento
Maybe Gohan will finally learn how to dodge.

😂

Originally posted by Placidity
It's not just the inconsistency, but the magnitude of it.

Yeah, it is pretty crazy...

Got around to reading the manga, while it's extremely slow compared to the show, at least it's of good quality with things actually being explained in a way that tries to make sense.

Yea, manga puts in explanations that the show just glosses over, if it don't outright change things anyway.

I don't like some of the changes, like Black being weaksauce, but aside from that there's no denying the manga writes & explains things better. I guess take the best or coolest aspects of both worlds and make that your head-canon...

The manga character's power levels are all weaker than the anime counterparts. But it's kinda always been that way, just with Super its a lot easier to notice.