Originally posted by carver9
Vegeta went from getting stomped by Black with ease, trained for a couple of days, sent back to the future and treated Black like fodder. His training in Super has been effective. To the point of him becoming a God of pure training alone.
VERY thick.
It was stated Vegeta's anger made up the difference, not training.
Originally posted by carver9
Please post this statement.
Black said it was anger that made a difference, thus Black learning he can become stronger through anger, which he did moments later.
And Vegeta didn't train couple of days, but 12 hours in the room, which is 6 months.
You almost always exeggerate with almost everything.
Originally posted by carver9And in that arc Trunks and Goku who didn't get to train for half a year still outshined Vegeta.
Vegeta went from getting stomped by Black with ease, trained for a couple of days, sent back to the future and treated Black like fodder. His training in Super has been effective. To the point of him becoming a God of pure training alone.
Originally posted by Kento
I'm just saying we know how long he trained for, We also know how Vegeta trains. So he didn't get a great boost from it because he trains too hard. That's always been his downfall.
Kento, please read aahat you said before and compare it to what you are saying now. I'm trying to figure out why you are changing the subject. What you just brought up doesn't have a thing to do with the topic we were discussing. I don't care about Goku KK making him more powerful than Vegeta or Trunks rage amp. Let's srray on topic please.
Originally posted by Inedian
Black said it was anger that made a difference, thus Black learning he can become stronger through anger, which he did moments later.And Vegeta didn't train couple of days, but 12 hours in the room, which is 6 months.
You almost always exeggerate with almost everything.
Lol...Vegeta was mad during their first battle and got stomped. His training player a huge part in his performance against Black. Don't see how you can doubt this.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Vegeta was mad during their first battle and got stomped. His training player a huge part in his performance against Black. Don't see how you can doubt this.
I don't doubt training helped and anger. Both helped. You wanted where it was stated and I said Black stated it. I think both helped... training and anger. It's just that you exeggerate and even like on purpose forgetting some things. And this anger was more because of Trunks than him getting stomped the first and second time.
Originally posted by carver9😕 They are the same topic? We know how long he tained for, we know how he trains, and every time he does so he never gets leaps and bounds stronger. He trained for two years in Cell Saga and still didn't get anywhere near as strong as Goku or Gohan did in half the time. He trained for months in Black and got outshined by two people who didn't get any extra training. So his weeks isn't going to be a big improvement because of his training methods.
Kento, please read aahat you said before and compare it to what you are saying now. I'm trying to figure out why you are changing the subject. What you just brought up doesn't have a thing to do with the topic we were discussing. I don't care about Goku KK making him more powerful than Vegeta or Trunks rage amp. Let's srray on topic please.
Originally posted by Inedian
I don't doubt training helped and anger. Both helped. You wanted where it was stated and I said Black stated it. I think both helped... training and anger. It's just that you exeggerate and even like on purpose forgetting some things. And this anger was more because of Trunks than him getting stomped the first and second time.
So, I know you're trying to protect Black but again, like I've said in my previous post, "Vegeta training is the reason he did good against Black". If he did not train. Black would have probably killed him.
I don't mind you correcting me. If I was wrong about something, tell me that I am wrong so that I can fix it. Don't accuse me of purposely dojjng something without asking first. You should always give a person a chance to fix it. Anyways, if he trained for some months then I'm ok with that. It does NOT go against what I said.
Originally posted by carver9
So, I know you're trying to protect Black but again, like I've said in my previous post, "Vegeta training is the reason he did good against Black". If he did not train. Black would have probably killed him.I don't mind you correcting me. If I was wrong about something, tell me that I am wrong so that I can fix it. Don't accuse me of purposely dojjng something without asking first. You should always give a person a chance to fix it. Anyways, if he trained for some months then I'm ok with that. It does NOT go against what I said.
Of course I like Black, never denied it.
I didn't feel accusing you, sorry if it looked that way.
Originally posted by Kento
😕 They are the same topic? We know how long he tained for, we know how he trains, and every time he does so he never gets leaps and bounds stronger. He trained for two years in Cell Saga and still didn't get anywhere near as strong as Goku or Gohan did in half the time. He trained for months in Black and got outshined by two people who didn't get any extra training. So his weeks isn't going to be a big improvement because of his training methods.
While in Blue and Black not even powered up, he laughed at Vegeta attacks. Hell, he blitzed Vegeta without Vegeta even being able to see him move. That's their first encounter.
Their second fight, Black is in his pink form. His most powerful form. He became stronger AFTER his first fight with Vegeta, kept getting more powerful. After all of this, Vegeta STOMPS him. There is a humongous difference here. Vegeta received a HUGE boost.
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Considering the amp Black immediately gets via "tapping into his anger" without training, I don't know if Vegeta training did all that much for him. In the end, he was still more or less even with or below Goku (who didn't do any serious training outside of learning the mafuba).
He went from getting treated like fodder...
The guy that treated him like fodder became more powerful after treating Vegeta like fodder...
Vegeta trains, fight him again and treated him like fodder. How are you all not grasping this? It's like saying Super Saiyan didn't give Goku an edge against Frieza in their first fight.
Originally posted by carver9
He went from getting treated like fodder...
Keep in mind that Goku managed to fodderize both Black and Zamasu simultaneously(via anger over the death of Goten and ChiChi) at one point despite not training in the ROSAT. And this is all while Goku for "reasons unknown" is actively not using the kaioken despite perfectly being capable of using it against Merged Zamasu.
Vegeta trains, fight him again and treated him like fodder. How are you all not grasping this?Because the actual dialogue:
Black didn't train . . . period between getting schooled by Vegeta and schooling both Goku and Vegeta simultaneously. Pay close attention to his explanation on why Vegeta was getting the better of him.
Black even tells us his power increase was huge..
"He increase his power by this much in such a short time"...
Oh no, even Masako's pointing out inconsistencies of Super some more! Burn him to the stake, he's not a true fan, this is the golden age of dragon baaaalllllll!!!!!
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Vegeta was actually doing pretty well during his first tussle with Black and appeared to be getting the better of him even in his SSR state until he get caught off guard by his energy blade.Keep in mind that Goku managed to fodderize both Black and Zamasu simultaneously(via anger over the death of Goten and ChiChi) at one point despite not training in the ROSAT. And this is all while Goku for "reasons unknown" is actively not using the kaioken despite perfectly being capable of using it against Merged Zamasu.
Because the actual dialogue:
Black didn't train . . . period between getting schooled by Vegeta and schooling both Goku and Vegeta simultaneously. Pay close attention to his explanation on why Vegeta was getting the better of him.
Lol...you probably want to look at that fight again, their first fight. Black is obviously allowing Vegeta to punch on him and smiled while he did it. Come on man. Why are you debating This?
Black even acknowledge Vegeta growth in power. This post in pointless.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Oh no, even Masako's pointing out inconsistencies of Super some more! Burn him to the stake, he's not a true fan, this is the golden age of dragon baaaalllllll!!!!!
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I think everyone has acknowledge this. The show is still making huge amounts of money though. Loving it