Originally posted by carver9
While in Blue and Black not even powered up, he laughed at Vegeta attacks. Hell, he blitzed Vegeta without Vegeta even being able to see him move. That's their first encounter.Their second fight, Black is in his pink form. His most powerful form. He became stronger AFTER his first fight with Vegeta, kept getting more powerful. After all of this, Vegeta STOMPS him. There is a humongous difference here. Vegeta received a HUGE boost.
That amounts to a lot of nothing. Vegeta trains all the time, in the time chamber or in hundreds of times gravity trying to push himself and characters who don't surpass him with ease. Yes Vegeta got stronger, but in the end he still wasn't leaps and bounds above Goku who didn't get any training, and Trunks was able to outshine Vegeta, with rage saiyan mode and Spirit sword. Even Father son Garlic Gun. Vegeta gets millions of times the training of anyone and still manages to be somewhere too 3 or 4. So no, his hour of training was not, by all previous times shown, greatly enhancing him to the point it's going to matter at all. Vegeta probably barely Makes top 5 on his own team even with that extra month of training. [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I agree with the training being the key to Vegeta owning Black in their rematch.Me agreeing with Carver.....Someone kill me.
Yea, training did help with that. But the point isn't, training doesn't make vegeta stronger. It's that training in the spirit and time room doesn't make Vegeta as strong as he could because he's terrible at training. He went from stronger than Goku in Cell, to being vastly weaker, and couldn't catch up in a second year. He didn't surpass Goku with his training against Black either, when Goku did 0 training except to learn Mafuba. That's the point, Vegeta's spirit and time room training before ToP isn't going to amount to much.