Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Who ever said anything to the effect that SSJ Vegeta <= Roshi? 😂As for the rest of what you said, Roshi was worn out. This was stated. Frost nearly got solo'd by a worn out Roshi. This was shown. Class dismissed. 😛
I guess you didn't mentally get it. And you're trolling at this point. Vegeta blue power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his black hair form and he easily dismissed Frost in his base. This proves that Roshi doesn't compare at all to a base Vegeta who CASUALLY dismissed Frost while at the same time punching him against the wall. Then Vegeta took on two big guns by himself. Base Goku is fighting opponents that gave Buu level characters a run for their money. Roshi was a flee to Frost and to anyone else on or below Goku base form. Troll somewhere else.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeTien would have kick the most butt. Solar Flarex100 and Dodonpa's for everyone.
Still loving how PlagueOfGripes who did that Japan doesn't like Tien video I posted, pretty much coined the term "Toriyama handjob" (at least far as I know), and some of us have been using it ever since. lolNo homo, sometimes I wonder how much ass Tien would've kicked had he gotten the Toriyama handjob... Of course, only Goku and Gohan will get the Tori double handjob this tournament, but who knows.
Originally posted by carver9😛 You're still missing out the biggest part that Roshi was nearly dead already from a fight he overtaxed himself.
I guess you didn't mentally get it. And you're trolling at this point. Vegeta blue power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his black hair form and he easily dismissed Frost in his base. This proves that Roshi doesn't compare at all to a base Vegeta who CASUALLY dismissed Frost while at the same time punching him against the wall. Then Vegeta took on two big guns by himself. Base Goku is fighting opponents that gave Buu level characters a run for their money. Roshi was a flee to Frost and to anyone else on or below Goku base form. Troll somewhere else.
So yea nearly dead Roshi vs the weakest guy in u6 seems a great way to judge power levels. Also if Goku stays in base against Ribrianne I call bull. Because Base Goku isn't anywhere near more powerful than ssj Vegeta.
Originally posted by Kento
So yea nearly dead Roshi vs the weakest guy in u6 seems a great way to judge power levels. Also if Goku stays in base against Ribrianne I call bull. Because Base Goku isn't anywhere near more powerful than ssj Vegeta.
I feel like they've just been transforming for aesthetics lately anyway.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoTransformations do mean little these days. But Toei also had Goku holding his own against Super Buu and able to fight Kid Buu in ssj. So it's not a new thing where they fight someone powerful in multiple forms and still don't get stronger than them.
I feel like they've just been transforming for aesthetics lately anyway.
But ssb takes up so much energy let's abuse ssj which...takes up energy and blue was said to be less energy draining so that Goku could kaioken with it..
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeToriyama handjob Tien would not only be capable of using the mafuba himself, but would able to perform it via stealth tactics such as having one multiform Tien using solar flare and another using the mafuba to catch his target. That and I imagine Toriyama handjob Tien would have a new version of the KikoHo strong enough to stop even SSG tier characters in their tracks, albeit temporarily like we see with Semi Perfect Cell. A real shame Tien didn't get the handjob like his non-Goku/Vegeta comrades as I'm sure we could'v gotten a lot of cool combat scenarios as a result. 😎
Still loving how PlagueOfGripes who did that Japan doesn't like Tien video I posted, pretty much coined the term "Toriyama handjob" (at least far as I know), and some of us have been using it ever since. lolNo homo, sometimes I wonder how much ass Tien would've kicked had he gotten the Toriyama handjob... Of course, only Goku and Gohan will get the Tori double handjob this tournament, but who knows.
This ARC has SO MUCH MORE potential than what we're seeing. It's almost painful.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess you didn't mentally get it. And you're trolling at this point. Vegeta blue power>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his black hair form and he easily dismissed Frost in his base. This proves that Roshi doesn't compare at all to a base Vegeta who CASUALLY dismissed Frost while at the same time punching him against the wall. Then Vegeta took on two big guns by himself. Base Goku is fighting opponents that gave Buu level characters a run for their money. Roshi was a flee to Frost and to anyone else on or below Goku base form. Troll somewhere else.
Carver: I say there! Android Saga Goku is garbage!
Dark-Kenshin: What makes you say that?
Carver: He couldn't even beat Android 19, whereas both Vegeta and Piccolo were well above that piece of scrap metal shaped like a fat clown!
Dark-Kenshin: But what about the heart-vir-
Carver (interrupt): QUIT TROLLING! YOU'RE WRONG! And while I'm at it, Saiyan saga Vegeta is crap too.
Dark-Kenshin: Huh?
Carver: He almost got killed by Krillin!
Dark-Kenshin: But wasn't this after surviving back to back fights with Goku, Gohan, Krillin, not to mention the spirit bomb and---
Carver: Nope! He was at Krillin's mercy, so he's a flee to Krillin!
Dark-Kenshin: eer
Originally posted by KentoExactly! And can you imagine if Universe 7 decided to exercise some actual and intelligent teamwork. Think of how much they could do by having Krillin, Tien and Roshi use their CC (Crowd Control) techniques while having the heavy hitters coming in to sweep up opponents too disoriented/dazed to fight back. And Goku could use IT to more or less keep every member from being eliminated. They'd still have all 10 of their members. 😂
Tien would have kick the most butt. Solar Flarex100 and Dodonpa's for everyone.
😛 You're still missing out the biggest part that Roshi was nearly dead already from a fight he overtaxed himself.So yea nearly dead Roshi vs the weakest guy in u6 seems a great way to judge power levels. Also if Goku stays in base against Ribrianne I call bull. Because Base Goku isn't anywhere near more powerful than ssj Vegeta.
Not to mention we're told that Frost specifically went after him because of this.
Originally posted by KentoSSB only takes up energy in the anime when the writers want to add pointless tension. I guarentee you that neither Goku nor Vegeta's frequent SSB transformations are going to get referenced when they start fighting Jiren and Toppo (or maybe Vegeta's final opponent will be Hit) respectively. The stamina issue will be completely ignored by that point. Guaranteed.
Transformations do mean little these days. But Toei also had Goku holding his own against Super Buu and able to fight Kid Buu in ssj. So it's not a new thing where they fight someone powerful in multiple forms and still don't get stronger than them.But ssb takes up so much energy let's abuse ssj which...takes up energy and blue was said to be less energy draining so that Goku could kaioken with it..
Originally posted by carver9
That's amazing. All of the Gods are not there though. Still a good showing for Beerus. Crazy thing is, Vegeta did better than the group of them against Beerus.
From that panel I see eleven, so it's likely that they're all there. Five on the ground, four in the sky, and keeping in mind that Champa is above the camera (he's what they're all charging at, because they mistook him getting punched into the sky for Beerus flying away) and Beerus is hiding below Mosco's body.
He proceeds to blast all five of the GoDs in the sky, but the Grand Priest shields them.
Originally posted by Kento
Tien would have kick the most butt. Solar Flarex100 and Dodonpa's for everyone. 😛 You're still missing out the biggest part that Roshi was nearly dead already from a fight he overtaxed himself.So yea nearly dead Roshi vs the weakest guy in u6 seems a great way to judge power levels. Also if Goku stays in base against Ribrianne I call bull. Because Base Goku isn't anywhere near more powerful than ssj Vegeta.
Where was it said he was almost dead?
Vegeta is holding back as well...He could've ended Rib early in the tournament but that face made him pull back. Sorry but the Saiyans has been holding back and it has been outright said in the show that Goku holds back "all of the time".
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
From that panel I see eleven, so it's likely that they're all there. Five on the ground, four in the sky, and keeping in mind that Champa is above the camera (he's what they're all charging at, because they mistook him getting punched into the sky for Beerus flying away) and Beerus is hiding below Mosco's body.He proceeds to blast all five of the GoDs in the sky, but the Grand Priest shields them.
I thought there were 13 G.O.D? So Champa is doing well against the G.O.D as well?
Originally posted by carver9Roshi had just died, came back, was nowhere close to being in any shape to fight or do anything. It was the reason Frost had even attempted to attack him.
Where was it said he was almost dead?Vegeta is holding back as well...He could've ended Rib early in the tournament but that face made him pull back. Sorry but the Saiyans has been holding back and it has been outright said in the show that Goku holds back "all of the time".
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They aren't using ssb of course they are holding back. Doesn't change the fact that Ribrianne still held her own against a super saiyan Vegeta. 😕
Originally posted by carver9All I've been saying is that Roshi was clearly not in any shape to fight, and to use this battle as anything is dumb. I'm not comparing Roshi to the saiyans at all...
Lol...yes, there's two people that has been arguing for Roshi. They aren't doing it as a booster for Roshi power, they are doing it to downplay the Saiyans power. Basically saying Roshi is>=base Goku and Vegeta. Its funny tbh.
Originally posted by Kento
Roshi had just died, came back, was nowhere close to being in any shape to fight or do anything. It was the reason Frost had even attempted to attack him.They aren't using ssb of course they are holding back. Doesn't change the fact that Ribrianne still held her own against a super saiyan Vegeta. 😕 All I've been saying is that Roshi was clearly not in any shape to fight, and to use this battle as anything is dumb. I'm not comparing Roshi to the saiyans at all...
He did just die and was resurrected and pumped full of Super Saiyan blue power. In the fight you are referencing him as being weakened, he was able to buff up and ignite chi off of his body. No sign of him being weakened. The guy was able to pull of TWO Maf... This speaks volumes and tells us he wasn't as weakened as you are trying to say he is.