Originally posted by carver9
Please answer these questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg
You're monstrous, carver.
Originally posted by carver9
Please answer these questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg
You're monstrous, carver.
Here you go Stilt, see this before it's taken down in the next five minutes.
Originally posted by carver9
Alright, the Grand Kai said that Goku shook the void. Is he credible? Then right after that, it was said that Goku power now match Jiren power. How credible is the Kai's.?
If you can prove Grand Kai had gnostication of literally the entire world of void, then sure. It's pretty damning when these characters say the void is shaking...and literally nothing is visibly happening, apart from the arena shaking a bit. Hell, the bystander's section wasn't even shaking. Makes you wonder how impressive the feat actually is.
That said, the issue is that even if I accept that the feat was accomplished:
1. It's not as impressive as erasing a universe. Whis and Beerus constantly Goku how supreme Omni-King is because he can "erase a universe", or "a dozen universes":
https://youtu.be/AyL8O5NhI7s?t=80
Don't forget, he has the power to erase the universe itself.
https://youtu.be/tuMZO3sGs0s?t=105
Whis: Omni-King can destroy anything he wants, in an instant. Such as evil people, obviously. Or a planet, a galaxy, or an entire universe. If he felt like it, he can even erase the entire world (the 12 universes).Vegeta: Is that really true? Can he really erase the entire world?! (12 universes)
https://youtu.be/M8cgGkAWpSg?t=140
If Omni-King wished for it, he could destroy all 12 universes in an instant!
So clearly, the likes off Whis and Beerus are in awe of Omni-King being able to erase a whopping 12 universes. This idea that Jiren is more powerful than beings who can erase infinite universes because he "shook the world of void" is laughable.
2. The feat visibly doesn't cause any destruction. The arena starts shaking and pebbles are lifted into the air, but the bystanders nor the world of void itself are visibly affected in any way.
3. When Jiren actually unleashes his power, no visible destruction occurs to the arena or the world of void, Goku just gets pushed back a bit.
4. None of this matters, because my point is that even if he shook the World of Void, it's still vastly inferior to even the Ultimate Nullifier, which has erased and recreated a Multiverse in an instant before (infinitely beyond any of Zen-Oh's feats,) and the UN < an incomplete IG.
I genuinely don't find Jiren "shaking t3h world of void" to be any more impressive than Jiren redirecting Goku's Spirit Bomb with his mind, while holding back, or absolutely destroying KK x20 SSJB Goku.
Here's a clip of Goku's new form, without taking out some of the better parts in like the last clip:
Originally posted by carver9
Lololol...The grand Kais can see everything including across a universe. You are a trip.
I mean, in this case, fair enough, Grand Kai would have a great degree of gnostication here. That's how evidence works.
Originally posted by carver9
You accept everything else except fts that piss on what you mentioned.
As I explained, the feat really isn't all that impressive, considering that Omni King's ability to erase a singly universe is implied to be >>> Whis (who is >> Jiren). Also the fact that nothing of note happens to the arena, any of the fighters, or any of the bystanders. Again, less impressive than Jiren no-selling Goku's Spirit Bomb.
Originally posted by carver9
You know I'm not going to forget this day right? Your rights of mentioning statements are gone.
😂
In-universe statements have varying degrees of weight based on context.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I mean, in this case, fair enough, Grand Kai would have a great degree of gnostication here. That's how evidence works.As I explained, the feat really isn't all that impressive, considering that Omni King's ability to erase a singly universe is implied to be >>> Whis (who is >> Jiren). Also the fact that nothing of note happens to the arena, any of the fighters, or any of the bystanders. Again, less impressive than Jiren no-selling Goku's Spirit Bomb.
😂
In-universe statements have varying degrees of weight based on context.
You're still one of the best debaters in the anime forum but, I will not forget this day.
🙂
I don't think shaking the void means anything to the arena to me. Like the Galactus fight you posted. It did nothing to the solar system they were fighting in. The Odin showing you posted...a big piece of the planet was still intact. I can post a showing of Galactus nearly depleting his power with an attack and it did nothing to the room. I wouldn't say Silver surfer planet buster is greater than that attack. Would you???
Originally posted by carver9
You're still one of the best debaters in the anime forum but, I will not forget this day.🙂
I don't think shaking the void means anything to the arena to me. Like the Galactus fight you posted. It did nothing to the solar system they were fighting in. The Odin showing you posted...a big piece of the planet was still intact. I can post a showing of Galactus nearly depleting his power with an attack and it did nothing to the room. I wouldn't say Silver surfer planet buster is greater than that attack. Would you???
I mean, my only issue with the feat is that it's implied to be inferior to being able to erase 1 universe.
It would be like if Galactus shook all of reality, but then Eternity and Death (who are above Galactus) are in awe of Beyonder being able to erase a single universe. I would then say, in this context, erasing a single universe >>> shaking reality.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I mean, my only issue with the feat is that it's implied to be inferior to being able to erase 1 universe.It would be like if Galactus shook all of reality, but then Eternity and Death (who are above Galactus) are in awe of Beyonder being able to erase a single universe. I would then say, in this context, erasing a single universe >>> shaking reality.
When was it implied that shaking the void isn't as great as erasing the Universe? That doesn't even matter anyway. ERASING a single Universe>>>>>>>destroying 10 Universes. I don't think you understand what's at play there. When Zeno erase a universe, it is wiping you clean from existence. It's as if (the entire Universe) was never there. You are wiped clean from everyone's memories. Like you wasn't born (the universe). The level of this showing is INSANE. This is why I say Zeno is above Thanos. No cosmic entity has EVER done this.
Originally posted by Kento
https://youtu.be/BUiUsniwcM8?t=48s😛
They jump in the air and fighting while they are falling. That's different.
Originally posted by carver9
When was it implied that shaking the void isn't as great as erasing the Universe?
Well, Whis, who's far above Jiren, HEAVILY implies that erasing a universe is beyond his capabilities:
https://youtu.be/AyL8O5NhI7s?t=80
Whis: Don't forget, he has the power to erase the universe itself.
Originally posted by carver9
That doesn't even matter anyway. ERASING a single Universe>>>>>>>destroying 10 Universes.
I mean, I guess? Sounds kind of arbitrary. Erasing a single universe absolutely does shit on destroying a universe, I agree, but 10 universes?
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think you understand what's at play there. When Zeno erase a universe, it is wiping you clean from existence. It's as if (the entire Universe) was never there. You are wiped clean from everyone's memories. Like you wasn't born (the universe).
This literally isn't true, though. People still remember Universe 9 and Universe 10 being erased. Trunks was able to travel to his timeline before Zen-Oh erased it, so Zen-Oh isn't erasing the universe ab aeterno (meaning from the beginning of time, as if it never existed in the first place).
Originally posted by carver9
The level of this showing is INSANE. This is why I say Zeno is above Thanos. No cosmic entity has EVER done this.
...but the Ultimate Nullifier has erased and recreated the Multiverse in an instant before. Here we can see how the UN erases matter from existence:
This is used to erase and recreate the entire Multiverse, in an instant. And despite all that, Warlock with an incomplete IG overpowers the Ultimate Nullifier "with a thought." Complete and utter mastery over all aspects of reality >>>>>>> the ability to erase a single universe.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, Whis, who's far above Jiren, HEAVILY implies that erasing a universe is beyond his capabilities:https://youtu.be/AyL8O5NhI7s?t=80
I mean, I guess? Sounds kind of arbitrary. Erasing a single universe absolutely does shit on destroying a universe, I agree, but 10 universes?
This literally isn't true, though. People still remember Universe 9 and Universe 10 being erased. Trunks was able to travel to his timeline before Zen-Oh erased it, so Zen-Oh isn't erasing the universe ab aeterno (meaning from the beginning of time, as if it never existed in the first place).
...but the Ultimate Nullifier has erased and recreated the Multiverse in an instant before. Here we can see how the UN erases matter from existence:
]https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/102593/2820440-quasar_40_04.jpg[/IMG]
This is used to erase and recreate the entire Multiverse, in an instant. And despite all that, Warlock with an incomplete IG overpowers the Ultimate Nullifier "with a thought." Complete and utter mastery over all aspects of reality >>>>>>> the ability to erase a single universe.
That's not what Whis said.
Who remembers universe 9 and 10 and I'm sure a lot is excluded in this tournament of power since it is meant for them to know what is going to happen. Outside of the TOP, you being erased means you never existed. This was explained already.
Lol...Zeno didn't erase Trunks Universe, he blew it up. There's a huge difference. Goku brought up erasing but when he goes back, you can tell it was wiped clean from a blast.
The Ultimate Nul doesn't do what Zeno does. You're not wiped from existence. Two different things. The U.N is a tool, so of course the IG will work it if it is wielded by someone like Warlock. The IG crumbled recently by pushing back a single Universe. It folded.
Originally posted by carver9
That's not what Whis said.
Whis literally tells Goku to not go to the Omni-King because he has the power to erase the universe. Erasing a universe >> Whis.
Originally posted by carver9
Who remembers universe 9 and 10
Literally everyone, right after the universe is erased, remembers that the universe was erased. You're making up definitions for the ability that aren't explained in the show.
Originally posted by carver9
Outside of the TOP, you being erased means you never existed. This was explained already.
I want you to show me where this was stated, once. Send me the video where this is stated.
Originally posted by carver9
[B]Lol...Zeno didn't erase Trunks Universe, he blew it up. There's a huge difference. Goku brought up erasing but when he goes back, you can tell it was wiped clean from a blast.
Uhh, what are you even talking about? 😂
After Universe 9 is erased, we can literally see the same space dust we saw when the Future Trunks' timeline was erased:
https://youtu.be/D4wY9ou21Mk?t=77
Zen-Oh erased Future Trunks' timeline.
Originally posted by carver9
The Ultimate Nul doesn't do what Zeno does. You're not wiped from existence.
Yes, you are. You are literally turned into nothingness.
Originally posted by carver9
Two different things. The U.N is a tool, so of course the IG will work it if it is wielded by someone like Warlock. The IG crumbled recently by pushing back a single Universe. It folded.
The point is that an incomplete IG was able to manipulate the energies of the Ultimate Nullifier. And I'm not talking about the current IG, I've always been talking about Classic IG Thanos.
Notice how I responded to every single thing you said. Don't just say random shit, I want you to provide evidence and respond to each thing I said. I'm not going to bother responding again if you only respond to half of my post and fail to provide any evidence.