Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Much, much faster than light.

Proof???

Originally posted by carver9
Jiren powers up and shakes the void. Goku powers up and shakes the void. They are around similar power levels. How many statements is needed oh grand one?

The void was shaken twice and this was said by two different people. How many statements is needed.???

Originally posted by carver9
Proof???

Based on casual Beerus' and Whis' various MFTL feats.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Based on casual Beerus' and Whis' various MFTL feats.

So again, how fast is Dypso? Are you basing Dypso speeds off of Goku being tagged or outreacted? Be careful.

Originally posted by carver9
Why is Dypso faster than light?
Nope, answer my question first. Then I'll answer yours. And rinse and repeat. None of this hit and run nonsense.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Dypso is faster than light. Now let me ask you something: Whenever Krillin powers up, does he shake the earth?

When did Krillin shake Earth?

Originally posted by carver9
So again, how fast is Dypso?

This question is so simple but people are trying so hard to avoid the obvious that it's ridiculous. Dypso is faster than light and sound based off of what was said. Another question, how does Hit powers work? How much power did Beerus use against Raging Vegeta? Who's more powerful, Grand Priest or Beerus (or are they respecting him due to his title)?

Please answer these questions.

Please ignore things like context or who makes what statements. Treat all statements as authoritative.

Always glad to help you out, Carv. 👆

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Different character statements have different levels of validity based on the context.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Different character statements have different levels of validity based on the context.

And two different people said the void shook. How many more is needed? 10???

Originally posted by carver9
When did Krillin shake Earth?
To my knowledge, he never has despite powering up, which is why I'm asking you. If Krillin doesn't shake the earth while powering up, how come Nappa does? And if the answer is "ki control", why are characters way beyond Nappa even remotely startled by Perfect Cell shaking the earth by powering up?

As to your question, Toppo, a character with keen insight and knowledge regarding Dypso, tells us he has surpassed light and sound. The name of the episode also refers to Dypso's fight as being a lightspeed battle. Based on those pieces of information, we can credibly say Dypso is at bare minimum faster than light.

Originally posted by cdtm
Please ignore things like context or who makes what statements. Treat all statements as authoritative.

Always glad to help you out, Carv. 👆

In my viz translated copy of volume 41, Buuhan states he is omnipotent. So Buuhan = TOAA?

Originally posted by carver9
And two different people said the void shook. How many more is needed? 10???

Again, context. There is no reason to believe Android 18 knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the entirety of the infinite void shook.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Again, context. There is no reason to believe Android 18 knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the entirety of the infinite void shook.

Lol...you do know these people are not real right? Lol, the writer used 17 as the pedestal of what was going on. This is half retarded. You all accept statements from Toppo...went on for days on when he brought up Dypso speed but when 17 say something, someone who have for more credibility, you want to deny it. Like I said, both Goku and Jiren shook infinity. Toriyama did not make a guide saying "only accept statements from this character, not tier, or Krillin, etc...).

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
To my knowledge, he never has despite powering up, which is why I'm asking you. If Krillin doesn't shake the earth while powering up, how come Nappa does? And if the answer is "ki control", why are characters way beyond Nappa even remotely startled by Perfect Cell shaking the earth by powering up?

As to your question, Toppo, a character with keen insight and knowledge regarding Dypso, tells us he has surpassed light and sound. The name of the episode also refers to Dypso's fight as being a lightspeed battle. Based on those pieces of information, we can credibly say Dypso is at bare minimum faster than light.

I'm not giving Krillin fts that isn't performed, so, me commenting on this is irrelevant. Nappa shook Earth so it belongs to him. If Vegeta said that Nappa fart destroyed an island in the past, I am going to believe it.

What proof do you have of Toppo working with Dypso?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you do know these people are not real right? Lol, the writer used 17 as the pedestal of what was going on.

See, now you're pretending to know the author's exact intentions. We don't.

Originally posted by carver9
This is half retarded.

That's rich.

Originally posted by carver9
all accept statements from Toppo...went on for days on when he brought up Dypso speed but when 17 say something, someone who have for more credibility, you want to deny it. Like I said, both Goku and Jiren shook infinity. Toriyama did not make a guide saying "only accept statements from this character, not tier, or Krillin, etc...).

Now you're generalizing. When did I say Toppo's statements were legitimate? And Toppo's credibilty on Dyspo >>>>> Android 18's credibility on, literally, the entirety of the infinite world of void.

And it doesn't matter whether or not Toriyama made a guide saying to accept certain statements. The fact of the matter is that Android 18 literally doesn't have gnostication of the entirety of the World of Void and what's happening in it. There is no reason to take the statement 100% seriously when we see Jiren actually unleash his power and its not even shaking the arena, much less the entire infinite void. When the source material literally contradicts a statement from a fallible character, we take the actual material.

Why does Jiren need to shake the Void again? It's like saying "until we see Goku almost destroy the Universe again...". You probably want to send something to the cast of DBS telling them that the only people that are credible enough to say something are these people.

He doesn't have to shake the void "again." I'm saying there's no grounds to say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Jiren shook the entire world of void.

And who's credible enough to say what depends on the context and the statement being made, and whether or not said statement contradicts the source material.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He doesn't have to shake the void "again." I'm saying there's no grounds to say, without a shadow of a doubt, that Jiren shook the entire world of void.

And who's credible enough to say what depends on the context and the statement being made, and whether or not said statement contradicts the source material.

Alright, the Grand Kai said that Goku shook the void. Is he credible? Then right after that, it was said that Goku power now match Jiren power. How credible is the Kai's.?

Even though I'm still accepting 18 statement, I want to see your answer to this one.