So everything is back to normal after Vegeta sees UI for second time he loses his im the most badass saiyan attitude and becomes his old self again.
Guess fanboys gonna cry after all the Vegeta has a secret power thing...
Now watch him try to master UI and fail while Goku will learn to attack while in the state and becomes more powerful then Jiren.
Guess Dragon Ball will never change...
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Apparently Jiren's flight speed is stated to be superior to spaceships. Wasn't one of the ships from early Z clocking in at something like 20x the speed of light?
200, yes. Glad they said he is faster than that because that wouldn't be that great based off what we have seen during the tourney.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Apparently Jiren's flight speed is stated to be superior to spaceships. Wasn't one of the ships from early Z clocking in at something like 20x the speed of light?
The namek ship was. Earth didn't have light speed technology, so the ship Dr. Briefs gave for Goku wasn't light speed capable. Yer it still got to Namek.
For all we know Jiren meant a slow ship like that (Slow, and still able to cross to Namek, proving how tiny the DB universe really is.)
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Apparently Jiren's flight speed is stated to be superior to spaceships. Wasn't one of the ships from early Z clocking in at something like 200x the speed of light?
Yeah, and I suspect you could argue the pride trooper ships are even faster than the early Z ships.
I also wonder how far planet Toware was from the planet they were on. If it was a Galactic + distance...🙂
Originally posted by cdtm
The namek ship was. Earth didn't have light speed technology, so the ship Dr. Briefs gave for Goku wasn't light speed capable. Yer it still got to Namek.For all we know Jiren meant a slow ship like that (Slow, and still able to cross to Namek, proving how tiny the DB universe really is.)
The Namekian ship, which was fast enough to get to Jupiter in half a minute at most, took 34 days to get to Namek. Goku's ship, which was built from the parts of his old Saiyan pod, made the journey in 6 days. Both are faster than light.
Not as fast as the Dragonballs though. The Namekian Dragonballs made it to Earth from Namek in minutes.
Originally posted by cdtm
Tourney established going beyond light speed is unique to Dypso.
Dypso far exceed light and he couldn't even keep pace with Final form Frieza. He couldn't track You movements when he got serious. The only time I remember anything like this happening was when the Flash met Zoom. At this point, Zoom would get speed blitzed by Goku.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZBut again: they're equating strength/power, to fighting skill in this arc -- Toppo already said as much. I'd bet that Jiren has mastered UI moreso than Belmond, which is why he's >... Same reason that Goku will soon be > Beerus, me thinks.
Manga chapter confirms Jiren is more powerful than Belmod.Jiren has dope characterization in this chapter, too.
...Although I won't be surprised if the raw power of Goku and Jiren ends up exceeding the GoDs as well, but as of *now* I still think they're referring to fighting prowess.
Yes, but there's also an alternate translation of Toppo's statement in Chapter 29 that says, "as far as power level goes, his (Jiren's) is even higher than Belmod's, a God of Destruction." This translation also makes much more sense in the context of Goku's statement at the beginning of Chapter 30.
So Jiren is more powerful/stronger than Belmod, no doubt.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZIndeed. You can find alternate translations for *most* lines in the manga, in fact.
Yes, but there's also an alternate translation of Toppo's statement in Chapter 29 that says, "as far as power level goes, his (Jiren's) is even higher than Belmod's, a God of Destruction."
But as of now, however, I see no reason to dispute the official VIZ translation... Especially with this arc's blatant emphasis on fighting technique/prowess/ability OVER raw battle power. /shrug
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZI completely agree that Jiren > Belmond. 👆
So Jiren is more powerful/stronger than Belmod, no doubt.
Originally posted by NewGuy01Yep:
Apparently Jiren's flight speed is stated to be superior to spaceships.
Evidently Jiren took care of his business on Planet Toware, so he *flew* to the planet Toppo and Dyspo were on without a spaceship because "It was faster that way."
Normally I wouldn't pay this much mind because we weren't given distance/time(so there's no way to figure out exactly *how* fast he flew.) However, the Pride Troopers protect their ENTIRE UNIVERSE... Logically speaking, there would be NO way for them to protect a whole fuggin universe unless their ships were capable of getting them across stellar/galactic++ distances in a very reasonable amount of time.
So imo, Jiren being able to 'fly' faster than their ships does imply that he is massively FTL. /shrug
*However, the most interesting thing that came from Chap. 30, is that Jiren only agreed to participate in the ToP because he wants a wish from the Super Dragon Balls. Evidently he has one wish to fulfill, "even if it means betraying his principals."
...mmm
Originally posted by cdtm
The namek ship was. Earth didn't have light speed technology, so the ship Dr. Briefs gave for Goku wasn't light speed capable. Yer it still got to Namek.
I thought it was the opposite? The namekian ship travelled at about 20-60x the speed of light, and it took about a month to reach namek. Goku's ship arrived in 6 days; that's the ship I got the number "200c" from.
Hey, Jiren's getting more personality in the manga. AND Tien was mentioned right away by Goku instead of man who could the tenth be, and just ignoring Yamcha as he stands there like look at me, look at me.
And Gohan is kind of thrown to the side as, eh he probably can't fight anymore so lets not include him.
Also, it is neat that Jiren is the only one capable of flying faster than his ship can travel. Even if its only somewhere in the same galaxy since it was a prison break. That's still a huge expanse of area he could have been in.
