Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Shit, if you count the non-canon movies the Genki Dama IS a legit trump card, and has a 100% success rate. It killed: Dr. Wheelo, Turles, Lord Slug, Super 13, and Hatchiyack... It also killed Omega Shenron in GT.

Canonically, however, the Genki Dama only has a laughable 25% success rate(and it struggled just to get that):
*vs. Saiyan saga Vegeta: failed.
*vs. Freeza: failed.
*vs. Pure Boo: would have undoubtedly failed if Goku hadn't been wished back to full power.
*vs. Jiren: failed(miserably).

It sickens me that you consider Super canon.

Omega Shenron, I repeat.

Originally posted by Galan007
It also killed Omega Shenron in GT.

Oh, good 👆

Sickening as it may be at times, DBS is canon. ermmsad

Anime or manga? 😂

There was a time when only manga was cherished, lol.

Pick your poison, Galan. Anime or manga? And if anime... is DB and DBZ anime canon to it? Or only manga? Same question with manga, lmao.

See, you have all cornered yourself. Tori hasn't been giving a shit for a long time, for him it's all canon, now you all are trolled.

As I recall, Galan said he backs the manga overall, on account of Toriyama's greater involvement (The anime may have his script, but not his input during production.)

But wasn't it said somewhere on kmc that the anime was the true canon this time?

I may be disoriented; read way too many posts here.

Why the anime seems to be paying no respect to the old anime filler, then? Huh? Or I didn't notice that?

I know people say the anime is true because it's further ahead, and some say they are both canon because it's based off Akira giving a overall what should happen. But the manga has a lot more input by Akira, since Toyotaro actually lets Akira read the script and changes things that Akira says too, or keeps things cause Akira is like oh that's better than what I was thinking.

Originally posted by Kento
I know people say the anime is true because it's further ahead, and some say they are both canon because it's based off Akira giving a overall what should happen. But the manga has a lot more input by Akira, since Toyotaro actually lets Akira read the script and changes things that Akira says too, or keeps things cause Akira is like oh that's better than what I was thinking.

Toriyama himself is more directly involved in the manga, thus its happenings should take precedence over the anime in most cases.

That said, there are also scenes in the anime that never occur in the manga. Because Tori has put a blanket canonization over the DBS anime, said scenes would be considered canon by default... This is a sharp contrast to DBZ, wherein any scenes in the anime that do not align with the manga are considered non-canon filler.

In a nutshell, everything is canon in DBS -- the manga is just *more* canon.

Oh, and Jiren's speed feat impressed me even more now that I've read the manga for myself, because there is a little more context to it...

First off, this is the type of spaceship used by the Pride Troopers:
https://i.imgur.com/KTiN8rI.jpg

It allowed Toppo to get from Belmond's Palace, to a mortal universe that most of the Pride Troopers were on, in the space of a few pages:
https://i.imgur.com/KE7v6Ia.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ijPR6ry.jpg
*And if Belmond's Palace resides in a similar cosmological location as Beerus' Palace(which seems perfectly logical to assume), that puts it several lightyearS away from the closest mortal planet. This subsequently implies that said spaceships are indeed capable of massively exceeding c... After all, if the ships weren't ridiculously fast, then Belmond would've just had Khai insta-port Toppo to the Pride Troopers' location(especially since they have less than 2 days to gather fighters for the ToP.)

With that in mind, when Toppo asks where Jiren is, Dyspo says that he is on the planet 'Towale'... And Toppo's response implies that said planet is really, really far away from them:
https://i.imgur.com/r6q7s2L.jpg
"Tch... He's ALL THE WAY on that REMOTE planet..."

And as we already know, Jiren opted NOT to use a Pride Trooper spaceship, and FLEW to Toppo and Dyspo's location, because "it was FASTER that way" (even Dyspo praised his flight speed, which also speaks volumes):
https://i.imgur.com/JPWjDWo.jpg

*Just so there's no confusion, the preceding pages show us that Jiren did indeed physically FLY there -- he didn't teleport or whathaveyou:
https://i.imgur.com/3mtor6A.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/olUa7kD.jpg

Suffice to say, the notion that he is actually faster than said spaceships is pretty asinine, really... Especially given the distance he was implied to have covered. Uber as hell... ermmnone

So not even as impressive as Majestic going 13 parsecs from a satelite to Earth in a single two paragraph internal monolague?

CDTM the party pooper.. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007

Suffice to say, the notion that he is actually faster than said spaceships is pretty asinine, really... Especially given the distance he was implied to have covered. Uber as hell... ermmnone

Originally posted by Kento
And Belmond used Kai to teleport him to the same planet, when it couldn't have taken Toppo THAT long to get there. So, his flight speed is massively faster than even Belmond's or Marcarita's

https://i.imgur.com/Xi4JuF5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/207bnnv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KyNcTsf.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh, and Jiren's speed feat impressed me even more now that I've read the manga for myself, because there is a little more context to it...

First off, this is the type of spaceship used by the Pride Troopers:
https://i.imgur.com/KTiN8rI.jpg

It allowed Toppo to get from Belmond's Palace, to a mortal universe that most of the Pride Troopers were on, in the space of a few pages:
https://i.imgur.com/KE7v6Ia.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ijPR6ry.jpg
*And if Belmond's Palace resides in a similar cosmological location as Beerus' Palace(which seems perfectly logical to assume), that puts it several lightyearS away from the closest mortal planet. This subsequently implies that said spaceships are indeed capable of massively exceeding c... After all, if the ships weren't ridiculously fast, then Belmond would've just had Khai insta-port Toppo to the Pride Troopers' location(especially since they have less than 2 days to gather fighters for the ToP.)

With that in mind, when Toppo asks where Jiren is, Dyspo says that he is on the planet 'Towale'... And Toppo's response implies that said planet is really, really far away from them:
https://i.imgur.com/r6q7s2L.jpg
"Tch... He's [b]ALL THE WAY on that REMOTE planet..."

And as we already know, Jiren opted NOT to use a Pride Trooper spaceship, and FLEW to Toppo and Dyspo's location, because "it was FASTER that way" (even Dyspo praised his flight speed, which also speaks volumes):
https://i.imgur.com/JPWjDWo.jpg

*Just so there's no confusion, the preceding pages show us that Jiren did indeed physically FLY there -- he didn't teleport or whathaveyou:
https://i.imgur.com/3mtor6A.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/olUa7kD.jpg

Suffice to say, the notion that he is actually faster than said spaceships is pretty asinine, really... Especially given the distance he was implied to have covered. Uber as hell... ermmnone [/B]

Ok, that is freaking insane. I'm sure he wasn't even powered up when he took this trip which means this isn't his top speed.

Originally posted by Galan007
I was just rewatching DBS 109-110 and it occurred to me that for a touted 'trump card', Goku's Genki Dama probably has one of the worst track records of any attack in the franchise. I mean, the only character it has ever canonically prevailed against is Pure Boo... But that was only AFTER Goku had been wished back to full power by the Dragon Balls. Had that not happened, it would have failed against Boo as well.

Happy thanksgiving all y'alll

Happy Thanksgiving buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, that is freaking insane. I'm sure he wasn't even powered up when he took this trip which means this isn't his top speed.

Just like Superman!

Originally posted by HueyFreeman
To be fair its almost never been used in optimum circumstances. Against vegeta he lost the majority of it due to vegetas breath blast. On namek the system had been ravaged because of frieza and how much life could you expect in the land of void?

Originally posted by Galan007
Regardless, it still only has a 25% success rate, canonically(and even that's pushing it.) So it's just funny to me that Goku would seriously refer to it as a 'trump card'... Especially against the likes of Jiren, lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
Regardless, it still only has a 25% success rate, canonically(and even that's pushing it.) So it's just funny to me that Goku would seriously refer to it as a 'trump card'... Especially against the likes of Jiren, lol.

In Goku's defense the last time he had used it against a foe before Jiren it did work, even if only under ideal conditions. Goku has recency bias.