Originally posted by Blindside12
Remember when all the retards on YouTube thought the angels would be taking over and try to get rid of Zeno? 😂
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Not really. A lot of those kind of theories come from wishful thinking though, and Zeno’s a pretty cookie cutter character, so I can entertain about any idea scenario that involves him getting overthrown.
Ridley, I still imagine a rebellion happens and Mr. Satan KO's one of the Zeno's.
I mentioned this before and riled up some posters, which genuinely surprised me. It's Mr. F'n Satan! The best character in Dragon Ball history!
And I'm dead serious, Hercule is my absolute favorite character. He's awesome! The guys got personality, courage (He's facing down world busters), a good heart, he's clever.. I don't care that he's considered "comedy relief", if you don't like Mr. Satan, you're got a screw loose. 👇
No, but Goku catching FP Jiren’s most powerful attack yet, erasing it from existence, and handling him like a disabled child, despite Jiren having power in the domain of the actual Gods of Destruction, and “perhaps surpassing it,” does prove something. Beerus would need to have the power to effortlessly destroy FP Jiren’s most powerful attack, withour effort. Have fun arguing that. 👆
Why should you not argue Goku or Jiren can do the same thing to Beerus's energy that they do to each other? There's no reason the burden of proof is on us, when you really don't have much yourself.
We've seen a small bit of destruction energy stop Goku and Freeza, and we've seen Beerus casually blow it out like a candle. That's only a tiny bit of the stuff, and implies Beerus is capable of so much more.
All things being equal, sure, Goku can beat Beerus. Beerus also never used destruction energy against Goku red. I doubt Belmont used it on Jiren either, by the "in terms of skill alone" comnent.
I don't think destroying is really considered an attack, when they talk about fighting.
Originally posted by cdtm
Why should you not argue Goku or Jiren can do the same thing to Beerus's energy that they do to each other? There's no reason the burden of proof is on us, when you really don't have much yourself.We've seen a small bit of destruction energy stop Goku and Freeza, and we've seen Beerus casually blow it out like a candle. That's only a tiny bit of the stuff, and implies Beerus is capable of so much more.
All things being equal, sure, Goku can beat Beerus. Beerus also never used destruction energy against Goku red. I doubt Belmont used it on Jiren either, by the "in terms of skill alone" comnent.
I don't think destroying is really considered an attack, when they talk about fighting.
*Belmod
Originally posted by cdtm
Why should you not argue Goku or Jiren can do the same thing to Beerus's energy that they do to each other? There's no reason the burden of proof is on us, when you really don't have much yourself.We've seen a small bit of destruction energy stop Goku and Freeza, and we've seen Beerus casually blow it out like a candle. That's only a tiny bit of the stuff, and implies Beerus is capable of so much more.
All things being equal, sure, Goku can beat Beerus. Beerus also never used destruction energy against Goku red. I doubt Belmont used it on Jiren either, by the "in terms of skill alone" comnent.
I don't think destroying is really considered an attack, when they talk about fighting.
As Super Boo would say, you’re missing the point.
Nobody gives a damn if some of Sidra’s hakai energy stopped a relative weakling like Base Goku. Golden Frieza straight up contained it. And as we saw with Toppo, hakai energy can be overwhelmed by regular Ki. So we have two data points here:
A: Jiren wields power rivaling the Gods of Destruction, and perhaps even exceeding it.
B: destroyer energy can be overpowered by regular Ki.
With this knowledge, if Jiren’s power rivals Beerus, Beerus would not be capable of simply destroying Jiren. So again, we’re left with FP Jiren and Beerus being extremely close to each other, and that’s fodder for MUI Goku.
Maybe.
But for all we know the powerup we see in previews for ep.130, is the level Jiren has used to stalemate(and/or defeat) Belmond in the past:
...And IF he is able to contend with MUI Goku on *any* with that power, it means that it is an astronomical powerup, given that his power in ep.129 was handled with literally NO effort at all. So if that turns out to be the case, then perhaps the power he's displayed up until this point is still a bit below Beerus-level.
We'll just have to wait and see I guess. Either way, I agree that a 'full power' Jiren is =/> Beerus.