Originally posted by abhilegendWell the newest one for Super has nothing to do with the first three. It is basically just Toriyama's way of making him canon to the series because of his popularity.
I know Broly is pretty famous for some reason but four movies on one villain is pretty stupid.
Unless you're a Cell fan, Super seems to be hey lets bring back all these popular characters again.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not just that, but Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, and Piccolo had all been beat to absolute shit and were massively weakened when they donated their energy to Goku... Yet it was still enough of a 'boost' for Goku to casually one-shot Broly.So essentially, a battered Goku with the power of 4 nearly powerless beings >>> LSS Broly. Heh.
Bio-Broly is easily the worst movie out of all of them. You'll see why. 😉
I'm tempted to see it now. Just for the sheer absurdity.
Originally posted by Kento
Well the newest one for Super has nothing to do with the first three. It is basically just Toriyama's way of making him canon to the series because of his popularity.Unless you're a Cell fan, Super seems to be hey lets bring back all these popular characters again.
Originally posted by KentoNah, that was gay. Trunks was training with him for a long time to fight the Androids, makes sense he had SS for a while.
History of Trunks is the only part of the original series that is better than the manga because of one reason. How Trunks went super saiyan.
Also all the old movies end in one shot or one attack. The bad guys are pretty much invincible and they go from 100 percent to finished in one combo or attack. It's like they ran out of time. That's why the new movies are better because there's actual fights and not one-sided stomps until they get one-shotted. That being said, Android 13 was great until he transformed into Blue Broly. Bluely.
Watch the old DB movies too or at least The Path to Power.
Originally posted by Galan007
Not just that, but Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, and Piccolo had all been beat to absolute shit and were massively weakened when they donated their energy to Goku... Yet it was still enough of a 'boost' for Goku to casually one-shot Broly.So essentially, a battered Goku with the power of 4 nearly powerless beings >>> LSS Broly. Heh.
Bio-Broly is easily the worst movie out of all of them. You'll see why. 😉
Dbz logic seems to ignore the current state of the xters when giving energy, the same happened with slug, a beat down piccolo gave Goku his energy and allowed him enter false super Saiyan mode, which according to the movie guide was equivalent to a KK*100, so basically an ssj2 boost
Hell, same thing happened in the ToP with the Spirit ball against jiren, there were very few SSB level U7 fighters, yet apparently they gave enough energy to make a spirit bomb more powerful than SSBkk*20 Goku.
Originally posted by One Big MobBut up to that point, becoming super saiyan always needed an event to trigger it. Just getting stronger didn't matter. So training to get the form just seemed wrong.
Nah, that was gay. Trunks was training with him for a long time to fight the Androids, makes sense he had SS for a while.
Not as wrong as tingle in the back but.
Originally posted by Kento
But up to that point, becoming super saiyan always needed an event to trigger it. Just getting stronger didn't matter. So training to get the form just seemed wrong.Not as wrong as tingle in the back but.
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Originally posted by KentoLike everyone dying before he could fight and Gohan and Bulma telling him over and over how dire the situation is and how his dad is ****ing dead while Androids murder cities everyday?
But up to that point, becoming super saiyan always needed an event to trigger it. Just getting stronger didn't matter. So training to get the form just seemed wrong.Not as wrong as tingle in the back but.
Seems like he has enough ammo there. Especially being trained by a SS who knows how to activate it the whole time. Like where Stilt just linked Gohan feeding off what Cell is going to do to his butthole while training. Was written like the same chapter or around there that the Trunks manga came out too. Vegeta, Gohan and Trunks all got it by training.
Originally posted by One Big MobPeople he never met. Before Gohan died, Trunks had no trigger to push himself that far. He hadn't been in countless fights, and failed everyone, or had anyone he cared for nearly die. He hadn't even fought the androids before if I recall.
Like everyone dying before he could fight and Gohan and Bulma telling him over and over how dire the situation is and how his dad is ****ing dead while Androids murder cities everyday?Seems like he has enough ammo there. Especially being trained by a SS who knows how to activate it the whole time. Like where Stilt just linked Gohan feeding off what Cell is going to do to his butthole while training. Was written like the same chapter or around there that the Trunks manga came out too. Vegeta, Gohan and Trunks all got it by training.
Vegeta, nor Gohan went super saiyan by literally, just training to get more powerful. They got it during training sure. Vegeta's was triggered by giving up hope, and accepting he was going to die. As for the Gohan turning ssj, it literally is him triggering the response to failing all his friends for his whole life, the anger he has at himself when he could have stopped so much or saved so many of his friends.
Goten and Kid Trunks also having super saiyan without any kind of conflict also is terrible even though they trained all the time.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYea. It never says when or how they went, and the first time we know of Goten going super saiyan is with ChiChi but I don't think that was his first time since in the manga he said he showed her the form.
To be fair, they reached SSJ first time off-panel, didn't they?
Originally posted by KentoPeople that these two unstoppable monsters killed that his mentor was fighting for most of his life and wanted to pass on those teachings to. Trunks is failing his planet and mentor by not rising up to the occasion. The fact that he went SS alone is an indicator that he wasn't like "Haha they killed my dad and all your friends but it's not like they'd ever kill my mom" and he was training specifically to beat them for years. He doesn't need a big event when he knows why he's training.
People he never met. Before Gohan died, Trunks had no trigger to push himself that far. He hadn't been in countless fights, and failed everyone, or had anyone he cared for nearly die. He hadn't even fought the androids before if I recall.Vegeta, nor Gohan went super saiyan by literally, just training to get more powerful. They got it during training sure. Vegeta's was triggered by giving up hope, and accepting he was going to die. As for the Gohan turning ssj, it literally is him triggering the response to failing all his friends for his whole life, the anger he has at himself when he could have stopped so much or saved so many of his friends.
Goten and Kid Trunks also having super saiyan without any kind of conflict also is terrible even though they trained all the time.
Both filler motivations and both can apply to Trunks anyway.
Vegeta literally got SS because he was training to get stronger and then hated himself for his limitations. Not impossible for a young Trunks to achieve when he can't help his mentor.
And the filler reason again is applicable to Trunks as well. Just because it wasn't shown, that doesn't mean that Trunks didn't want to defend the planet... actually it was shown. He was training for it.
In the manga Gohan didn't even go SS1 on-panel iirc. The anime writing its own fiction doesn't mean that's how things work. Trunks, Vegeta and Gohan all got SS off-panel. Trunks and Goten too. Goku is the only one who got it on-panel. SS2 Gohan is the only other one who reached a transformation on-panel too up until Super. Then it's God. Blue and even Golden Frieza were reached off panel. The U6 Saiyans reached theirs coincidentally enough on-panel.
The only "consistency" is the anime having it triggered by rage on-panel. The Manga is consistent with the Manga. The anime is inconsistent with the anime. Trunks having it for a while makes sense
Get bento Kento.
Originally posted by carver9Of course the new Broly movie is canon. I was talking about the old DBZ movies.
@Galan...I thought the latest Broly movie was canon?
Also, nothing wrong with Goku one punching Broly at the end. He was amplified to unknown level during that final punch.
Unknown level or not, I'm just saying that a battered Goku with the combined energy of a nearly powerless Vegeta + a nearly powerless Trunks + a nearly powerless Gohan + a nearly powerless Piccolo >>> Broly.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
People that these two unstoppable monsters killed that his mentor was fighting for most of his life and wanted to pass on those teachings to. Trunks is failing his planet and mentor by not rising up to the occasion. The fact that he went SS alone is an indicator that he wasn't like "Haha they killed my dad and all your friends but it's not like they'd ever kill my mom" and he was training specifically to beat them for years. He doesn't need a big event when he knows why he's training.Both filler motivations and both can apply to Trunks anyway.
Vegeta literally got SS because he was training to get stronger and then hated himself for his limitations. Not impossible for a young Trunks to achieve when he can't help his mentor.
And the filler reason again is applicable to Trunks as well. Just because it wasn't shown, that doesn't mean that Trunks didn't want to defend the planet... actually it was shown. He was training for it.
In the manga Gohan didn't even go SS1 on-panel iirc. The anime writing its own fiction doesn't mean that's how things work. Trunks, Vegeta and Gohan all got SS off-panel. Trunks and Goten too. Goku is the only one who got it on-panel. SS2 Gohan is the only other one who reached a transformation on-panel too up until Super. Then it's God. Blue and even Golden Frieza were reached off panel. The U6 Saiyans reached theirs coincidentally enough on-panel.
The only "consistency" is the anime having it triggered by rage on-panel. The Manga is consistent with the Manga. The anime is inconsistent with the anime. Trunks having it for a while makes sense
Get bento Kento.
Blue has more questions then the rest of them.
Like did Vegeta get a circle of Saiyan's to do it, like Goku? And if he didn't, what was the point of Goku's ritual?
I suppose we can assume that yes, he did get the exact same help, but then why stop at Vegeta? Why not upgrade Gohan?
I mean, it can't really be a base strength thing, because Vegeta capped out at Super Saiyan 2. His mini beatdown of Beerus notwithstanding.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Vegeta did it without the ritual.He worked hard with Whis for six months.
To achieve blue.
What I'm saying, is maybe the base god form ritual happened off panel, before he left to train.
Just spitballing on how we can rationalize that BoG wasn't completely contradicted by Super. 🙂