Originally posted by cdtm
To achieve blue.What I'm saying, is maybe the base god form ritual happened off panel, before he left to train.
Just spitballing on how we can rationalize that BoG wasn't completely contradicted by Super. 🙂
Hasn't Goku stated that Vegeta achieved both SSJG and SSJB all on his own?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not as bad as Gohan and Icarus twerking right before Piccolo's eyes, who was trying to have some alone time and meditate in peace.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWYep.
Hasn't Goku stated that Vegeta achieved both SSJG and SSJB all on his own?
And promo material for the Broly movie confirms the same:
"Using the ki of the gods gained from training with the Hakaishin and Whis, Vegeta achieves a superior evolution. He cloaks himself in a red aura to reach the realm of the gods in this miraculous transformation!!"
Vegeta basically forced his way into SSG/SSB. No rituals required.
Vegeta was making really fast progress training on Earth and [successfully] watching SSJG Goku/Beerus fight without even needing to follow them into space or powering up from his base form.
Even Krillin seemed to have benefitted from watching the BoG fight, unless Kame-Sennin was just trying to boost his confidence in RoF, of course.
Then he went training again, before leaving the Earth.
It's not like he was a slacker or anything.
Goku would normally choose the hard way to attain the SSJG level too, but there was no time for that during BoG.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thanks 👆@cdtm
I see you spouting nonsense again, I'm going to ironfist your anus.
😂 Will do.
Seriously though, its fine if SSJ God could be achieved through hard work and all. My thing is Battle of the Gods made a pretty big deal about prophecy, and Beerus specifically hunting down this thing. A lot of time was wasted on the lore.
And then the next movie its like, nope, never needed it. Just train hard.
Kind of makes watching the first movie feel like a waste of time, because none of it mattered.
Originally posted by Galan007
Goku needed the ritual to achieve SSG in that moment, otherwise Beerus would have obliterated the Earth. There was no time for him to train.
I'll just ignore the peanut gallery.
No, you're right. I know why they did it, according to story internal logic.
I'm not doing a good job getting across my issue with it. Like I said, Beerus and that stupid fish, the background history of SSJ God, the long winded ritual, all this took a lot of time to view. It was the bulk of the movie, in fact.
But more importantly, it's just plain bad writing to introduce a concept, and then drop it when it becomes inconvenient. I mean, there wasn't really a reason Vegeta got to bypass it. The bump to his reputation by not needing it wasn't that big a deal, imo. I just think Toriyama didn't know how to work the ritual in, and have him train with Whis. Or maybe just didn't want to bother with it.
I say this with no animus, intent to troll anyone, nor with a special focus on any one medium.. I strictly say this as a writer. Spending so much time fleshing out a concept and then dropping it unceremoniously is hack writer tier stuff at worst. Or padding out the story at best.
I can still love BoG for its strengths. Love Beerus and Goku's interactions, for example, and Vegeta's slapstick stuff.
Originally posted by cdtm
I'm not doing a good job getting across my issue with it.
Originally posted by cdtm
But more importantly, it's just plain bad writing to introduce a concept, and then drop it when it becomes inconvenient.
Look, I hear you, but you need to stop pretending it's the first time Dragon Ball did such a thing.
Kid Goten and Kid Trunks not only had a ridiculously easy time learning the SSJ transformation (off-panel), they also seemed to have reached its mastered state, the Fourth Grade (called FPSSJ/MSSJ by battleboarders).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWLook, I hear you, but you need to stop pretending it's the first time Dragon Ball did such a thing.
Kid Goten and Kid Trunks not only had a ridiculously easy time learning the SSJ transformation (off-panel), they also seemed to have reached its mastered state, the Fourth Grade (called FPSSJ/MSSJ by battleboarders).
I guess picking apart Dragon Ball is kind of silly.
Not like I haven't read Doctor Slump, so I know silly.
So is the Trunks future even a separate timeline in Universe 7? Or a separate univese?
If the former, how come Zeno didn't wipe out all of Universe 7?
And did Zeno Prime wipe out universes in their entirety. Or simply that timeline of Universe 7?
I mean, Beerus never suggested checking into alternative timelines or future timelines for the ToP. If their lives were on the line, shouldn't they have had a shot at joining?