Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Started by Galan007633 pages

Originally posted by Kento
The problem with Broli and Vegetto statements were in the fact they came from people who have never really felt or seen his full power. So while Goku and Vegeta fusions can rival what they have seen of Beerus, its really not a thing until Whis or someone says it.
SSB Vegito "rivaling" Beerus was mentioned in supplementary material outside of the manga, iirc. As for Broly: if the movie is more in-line with manga canon(which honestly seems to be the case), then Goku did watch Beerus fight all of the other Destroyers simultaneously during the Exhibition Match, so he would've at least had that in mind when he mused that Broly was "probably" stronger.

But either way, all of that is rendered moot with the revelation that Beerus could have apparently destroyed Angel Moro at any time, with ease... It's akin to how BoG heavily implied that Beerus was using very high percentages of his power against n00b-SSG Goku, yet we later learned that was obviously not the case, and he was really just using micro-fractions of his power the entire time.

Ever since DBS began, Beerus has been scaled up to transcend whatever level Goku is currently operating at, with literally no explanation. Toriyama just loves Beerus, and obvs wants to keep him as the strongest.

Originally posted by Kento
Also doubt MUI Goku is anywhere close to > SSB Gogeta. It just doesn't make any sense. Because that would mean that MUI would times Gokous power by what it is. Goku says he never came across anyone as tough as Moro but, Moro has so much esoteric abilities like ki drain that it makes sense he would say as tough as him.
It would be more in character for Goku to be referencing raw strength/power when he mentioned that Moro-73 was the toughest opponent he's ever faced(because that's how Goku always measures his opponents) -- hence why he also asked Moro if he's ever trained, etc. So if we assume that Moro-73 > Broly(as Goku indicated), then it implies that current MUI Goku > SSB Gogeta by proxy.

MUI Goku stomped the christ out of Moro-73 with no discernible effort whatsoever, and could have casually destroyed him at his leisure if he wouldn't have gone full-retard... Moro literally had to amp himself with the power of a trainee Angel to put him on par with MUI Goku.

Flip side, Broly soaked absolutely everything that SSB Gogeta dished out, and just kept growing more powerful the entire time. Moreover, it would have taken Gogeta's most powerful attack(ie. a "full force" Kamehameha) to put Broly down for sure.

tl;dr
MUI Goku stomped(and could have killed) a more powerful opponent in Moro-73, with less effort than SSB Gogeta stomped(and could have killed) Broly.

...That's my interpretation of it, at least. /shrug

Sounds about right. You can't really claim Gogeta wasn't using his full power against Broly, because he probably wouldn't be charging up his best Kamehameha like its his ace in the hole.

Imagine Gogeta channeled the Goku and Vegeta cockyness, and let Broly recover. One or two Zenkai's later, Gogeta may have been in trouble.

I'd like to know how powerful Broly became after the Gogeta beat down for sure.

Originally posted by Galan007
SSB Vegito "rivaling" Beerus was mentioned in supplementary material outside of the manga, iirc. As for Broly: if the movie is more in-line with manga canon(which honestly seems to be the case), then Goku did watch Beerus fight all of the other Destroyers simultaneously during the Exhibition Match, so he would've at least had that in mind when he mused that Broly was "probably" stronger.
The thing about that, and the match he saw, he can't even fathom the power of the other G.o.D's and assume they are dead by a random blast by Beerus. So he really doesn't know how powerful Beerus is. He can't even see what is happening in the fight.

Originally posted by Galan007

It would be more in character for Goku to be referencing raw strength/power when he mentioned that Moro-73 was the toughest opponent he's ever faced(because that's how Goku always measures his opponents) -- hence why he also asked Moro if he's ever trained, etc.
That would literally even make Moro > Beerus, and we know that isn't true, if he was talking about raw power level

When Dabura is fighting Gohan, long after he stated that Dabura was Cell level, he saw Dabura use magic, and then says 'Magic huh? He's way stronger than I thought." So, magical ability does come into play when Gokou talks about a person. And it's mostly been Moro's magic that has given them so much trouble for so long and so many fights.

What I'm saying is that Goku's comment about Broly being stronger than Beerus, or the other comments about SSB Vegito rivaling Beerus, are basically negated, if indeed Beerus could have stepped in and destroyed Angel Moro at any time(which is what the solicits suggest.)

It would essentially mean: Beerus > Angel Moro ~ MUI Goku > Moro-73 > Broly > Jiren, etc.

But again, getting randomly scaled up is just par for the course with Beerus, so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

SPOILERS for chapter 66

Yeah... I don't care what Beerus says, he's gonna have to pony up some actual feats to prove he's anywhere near THAT kind of power.

What, is Goku a Stand user now?

DBS, the S stands for stupid.

So what exactly happened?

...what is happening?

Originally posted by Galan007
I say this with absolute sincerity...

This is, without a doubt, THE dumbest shit I have ever seen in DB.

This is an ability that has been implied since early in the first DB manga, great call out

Originally posted by Bentley
This is an ability that has been implied since early in the first DB manga, great call out

How so?

Lmao giant UI Goku...proof that DB can always get dumber....

So uh, no Vegeta doing anything huh.... can't say I'm shocked.

I would have been more shocked if he did

Also,

Spoiler:
Vegeta apparently separates Seven-Three from Moro with FSF although he fails to separate Moro from the planet
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Originally posted by abhilegend
So what exactly happened?
Saiyan T-Vo.

Huh? Did Goku just absorb Moro?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Huh? Did Goku just absorb Moro?
Nah, he "properly" shattered the crystal, which destroyed Moro.

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Also, this chapter glimpsed Oob's potential:


The God ki within Oob >>> the God ki of everyone else on earth combined. Jfc.

And yeah, the implication is that Beerus could have stepped in and destroyed Moro himself, with ease... But stopped because the GP summoned him: