Was what I was thinking too.
The disappointment with the new Cell aside, I think it's just a bad timing thing. If Gohan had stepped up much earlier on in the series instead of him just being a red herring since the Buu saga, him having focus again would've been better received and more welcomed. As it is though, he hasn't fought much in years, and so him suddenly being the strongest again everyone had to call bullshit on (except Gohan/Toriyama fanboys).
At least Piccolo finally got a good buff, so wasn't all for naught.
Gohan hasn't been good since DBZ. In DBS, he's only had one real noteworthy showing, and that was when he stalemated Kefla in the manga. Aside from that, he's been a complete non-factor throughout entire series... So this random/gargantuan leap in power seems ridiculously out of place.
It's like Tori just remembered that Gohan was still part of the story, and was like "F*ck it. Let's make him DA STRONGUST again!"
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I mean, I get how this power upgrade is huge - gigantic, even - for both our favorite Namekian and Gohan.
But I doubt it will last... and truth to be told, I'm not sure it "rustles my jimmies" any more than countless other random power-ups we've got in DBS.
Krillin had a f*cking beam struggle with SSJB Goku, ffs.
If anything, DBS is incredibly consistent in that department. They probably know it triggers people, but it also gets them attention they crave.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Galan is a hardcore Gohan fanboy and I don't see him ejaculating anywhere in the thread 😉Piccolo sure deserved an upgrade, I'm just... not sold on that new look.
The boundaries of what's believable for Dragon Ball had been pushed and pushed, but honestly? Super Hero as a whole took the asspull writing for power scaling to another level, and not just with Gohan. Gamma 1 and 2 being supposedly as strong as Goku and Vegeta, etc.
The SSJB Goku kamehameha on Krillen moment isn't actually that bad when you remember that the Blue form is all about ki control and that he was holding back against Krillen, to see how Krillen would do in the face of overwhelming power.
I mean is Gamma 1 and 2 being on par with Gokou and Vegeta really that far-fetched of an idea. Its no different than 17 and 18 to be honest. Specially since Gero didn't know anything about Namek and Super Saiyan. Yet made 3 androids that dwarfed that power. He made himself 4 thousand times more powerful than he needed to be based on last power levels he saw, and then made 16, 17, and 18 even more powerful than that.
So, we have someone who is on par if not better than Gero, seeing the accurate power of the saiyans. Its more unbelievable that he doesn't make them stronger than Gokou and Vegeta.
Also, there's been so many times that Gohan has been hyped up in everything. And in Super itself has shown to be extremely powerful out of nowhere. From putting up that fight against SSB Gokou and only lost to Kaioken SSB in the anime, to fighting evenly with Kefla in the manga. So, a new ssj2 looking form along with Gohan's anger boosts that hasn't happened in forever and no reason to think he couldn't outclass the Gokou and Vegeta. At least the versions we see in the movies.
The Cell spy-bot saw SSJ Trunks vs Mecha Frieza as it happened, so Gero's computer obviously knew about Super Saiyan.
Gamma 1 and 2 wouldn't of saw all the god training that Goku and Vegeta did over the years. Of course Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego is being excluded for the sake of saying they're as strong as them and that Gohan > all, but still.
Gero says he only followed them until the Vegeta fight and had no idea what Super Saiyan is when they talked about it. And did not know that Gokou could transform or would be that powerful. Gero's computer and its making of Cell doesn't really factor into the power level of Gero, 19, or the other androids he made and decommissioned because they were too powerful to control. Otherwise, Gero would have also seen the power they were getting while training for 3 years. But he personally, while building his machines, never bothered to see where they had come in 4 or 5 years.
Maybe Hedo didn't see the training the saiyans did, but Piccolo is the one who says they rival Gokou and Vegeta in power. And he at the bare minimum knows their full power from the fight with Broli on Earth, if not how strong they have gotten after the fact.
God ki might as well not exist as a concept anymore, since what's presented as this literally divine form of power normally beyond mortal comprehension without specific circumstances, can be achieved by a random scientist with time I guess.
Hell, what stopped Hedo from making androids that are Gods of Destruction level of power after some months of time, research, and development to create them? I mean if they saw SSJG or SSJB Goku, then they had to have saw Beerus fight too back during BotG, and thus been able to make some GoD level androids.
Yeah, there's really nothing special about "God ki" these days, even though it originally started off as this unfathomable boost that was beyond basically everything in the rest of DBZ combined. But then...
-Freeza trains for a few months and attains that level of power.
-Manga Gohan gets to that level just by reawakening his dormant power after a few days of training.
-#17 gets to that level just by fighting off human poachers and whatnot for a few years.
-Broly far surpasses that level with like 30mins of battle experience.
-The Gammas are evidently on that level.
-Cell Max surpasses that level (as do current Piccolo/Gohan.)
...And the list goes on and on.
God ki doesn't mean shit anymore. Virtually any character in DB can reach that tier with minimal training, it seems.
^ Yes.
They have painted themselves into a corner with the god ki idea.
And instead of thinking of some clever way out of it, we get the same "level up" rpg game logic bullshit as usual, allowing the other characters to catch up.
That's some really lazy writing. "Don't give a single f*ck" vibes.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
While Orange Piccolo does look kinda odd in some regards, still not as dumb looking as the Final Gohan form. It's literally SSJ2 teen Gohan with longer hair, white, and red eyes like a vampire. Just looks silly overall, especially with that hair bang being as long as his entire face.
Was about to ask about that.
Does that new form de-age him or what? 😂 Wtf, srsly.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
The SSJB Goku kamehameha on Krillen moment isn't actually that bad when you remember that the Blue form is all about ki control and that he was holding back against Krillen, to see how Krillen would do in the face of overwhelming power.
I see what you're saying, but we both know Base Goku could've tested Krillin like that.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW👆
I see what you're saying, but we both know Base Goku could've tested Krillin like that.
Remember when Beerus, using only an insignificant micro-fraction of his power(FAAAR less than he used to beat n00b-SSG Goku), owned SS3 Goku with a few casual finger flicks? SSB is many, many orders of magnitude beyond SS3... So even accounting for the fact that Goku was holding back against Krillin to some extent, the fact that Krillin was able to momentarily stalemate his Kamehameha at all(to the point where it looked like Goku actually had to put some effort into overpowering him) suggests that he is still probably beyond the level of anyone in DBZ... Stupid as that sounds.
...Especially when base Goku was contending just fine against Fit Boo in like the next episode. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, there's really nothing special about "God ki" these days, even though it originally started off as this unfathomable boost that was beyond basically everything in the rest of DBZ combined. But then...-Freeza trains for a few months and attains that level of power.
-Manga Gohan gets to that level just by reawakening his dormant power after a few days of training.
-#17 gets to that level just by fighting off human poachers and whatnot for a few years.
-Broly far surpasses that level with like 30mins of battle experience.
-The Gammas are evidently on that level.
-Cell Max surpasses that level (as do current Piccolo/Gohan.)...And the list goes on and on.
God ki doesn't mean shit anymore. Virtually any character in DB can reach that tier with minimal training, it seems.
Even (a mere) Super Saiyan was a big deal back then, and considered as legend. And then everyone can become Super Saiyan, where the form started to feel less and less special while the newer enemies make this form worthless. If this continues, even MUI might become worthless too someday, and who knows how many forms Goku would have later in the future.
Pretty much. 👆
Super Saiyan also started out as this completely unique transformation that was tiers beyond everyone else... Then it was cheapened in the very next arc, when the Androids and Cell were introduced... Then we got things like SS2, SS3, fusions, Ultimate Gohan, and so on.
Same thing with SSG and God ki. It was cheapened in the very next arc, when Golden Freeza came along... Then we got shit like SSB, SSB+KaioKen, Omen, MUI, Ultra Ego, Beast Gohan, and so on.
The transformations in DB(particularly DBS) are apparently limitless... So even if an upgrade starts off as "special" or w/e, it won't stay that way for long.