Originally posted by Sinious
You said the context is very important. Lucas' point was that Anakin was going to become more powerful than Sidious but Obi-wan ruined it. Yet, there's another force user that could become what Anakin can't be anymore which is being more powerful than Sidious.
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Originally posted by Beniboybling
For the Legends content created under him? Yes he is.We are referring to post-ROTJ Luke as per Legends.
That's not revised lol, the most powerful Jedi ever is obviously going to be among one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Just as Darth Sidious being the most powerful Sith Lord ever makes him one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever.
Not that it matters because again we are dealing with Legends post-ROTJ Luke here not Canon post-ROTJ Luke which will exist in a completely different universe. New Canon content doesn't have any bearing on this character, G-Canon however does.
Even Luke's strength in the Force cannot help. The most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy can only stand by and watch his wife die.
Taken from Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Sourcebook
"Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said..
Taken from Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Vortex
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Luke Skywalker have been promoted as having higher potential then mortal Darth Sidious in a source, but Dark Empire saga changes the situation.
Originally posted by psmith81992Yes it does, that's how the progression of a Jedi works, they get stronger and stronger until they reach their potential through training, if nothing got in the way of Luke getting stronger and stronger he would have inevitably reached his potential.
Just because you don't think there was nothing preventing Luke from fulfilling his potential, doesn't mean he fulfilled his potential. You really don't understand how this works. If you can't prove it, move on.
Your grasping at straws.
Also, his potential was to be more powerful than the Emperor...I've disproved that as the case here:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15188098#post15188098
The burden of proof is now on you.
Originally posted by NargarothI'd say its a contradiction with Abeloth material, which is overriden by Mortis and George as higher levels of canon.
Isn't that in contradiction with the Mortis trilogy? I mean, Anakin had the potential to stomp the Son and the Daughter, and reach the Father's level, and the latter should be more powerful than Abeloth, who in turn is >Luke. Yes, Anakin needed a nexus amp, but that's still proof of his potential.
That or Abeloth > The Father, which is a possibility. I mean she did bathe in the Pool of Knowledge and in the Font of Power...
I mean bear in mind that the Mortis arc came several years after Abeloth. So it's think its as if they were considering Mortis when they were writing her.
Originally posted by SiniousAnd twice as powerful as the Sidious, its not in the same quote, but it is from the same guy and in the exact same contexts. Therefore I feel it applies. He's basically being more explicit on what "being more powerful than Sidious" entails.
You said the context is very important. Lucas' point was that Anakin was going to become more powerful than Sidious but Obi-wan ruined it. Yet, there's another force user that could become what Anakin can't be anymore which is being more powerful than Sidious.
However at this point I'm inclined to agree to disagree. New Canon might not even acknowledge it anyway.
Yes it does, that's how the progression of a Jedi works, they get stronger and stronger until they reach their potential through training, if nothing got in the way of Luke getting stronger and stronger he would have inevitably reached his potential.Your grasping at straws.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDMeh, pre-prime Luke + BM from a semi-trained Leia > DE Sidious.
Luke Skywalker have been promoted as having higher potential then mortal Darth Sidious in a source, but Dark Empire saga changes the situation.
Prime Luke more than makes up for Leia, Prime Luke > DE Sidious.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Provide proof and we'll discuss terms tbh.
FOTJ Luke is not twice more powerful than Sidious, lmfao.
That was what his canon potential was, not what his legends outcome ended up being.Try again - or not at all. 👆
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My point is that George Lucas's contributions to the lore are valid for consideration but his "statements" no longer carry as much weight-age because Disney gets to decide about what is officially correct or not.
And they've decided that SWTOR isn't Canon, so George's weight holds just as true as anything that bears the TOR Title.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And twice as powerful as the Sidious, its not in the same quote, but it is from the same guy and in the exact same contexts. Therefore I feel it applies. He's basically being more explicit on what "being more powerful than Sidious" entails.However at this point I'm inclined to agree to disagree. New Canon might not even acknowledge it anyway.
Not in the exact same contexts no.
You're trying too hard and that's just not good for your health dude.
Originally posted by SiniousDid you read the quote?
Not in the exact same contexts no.You're trying too hard and that's just not good for your health dude.
I will admit KMC is exasperating, but I am a completionist by nature.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66That FOTJ obviously isn't what George envisioned.
That he isn't taking into consideration legends material, lmfao?
Assuming that FOTJ is his prime, as he was 60(?) at that point.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Meh, pre-prime Luke + BM from a semi-trained Leia > DE Sidious.Prime Luke more than makes up for Leia, Prime Luke > DE Sidious.Provide proof and we'll discuss terms tbh.
Lord Nyax is officially hyped as being stronger then Luke Skywalker in Legends continuity.
Originally posted by Selenial
And they've decided that SWTOR isn't Canon, so George's weight holds just as true as anything that bears the TOR Title.
In addition, Lucas's remarks about Skywalkers having twice the potential of Darth Sidious is not endorsed in the lore (Legends or Canon). His remarks can be ignored.