Ok I'm going to do short calcs to find out how much punishment the Eclipse can take and that being the minimum energy that the Force Storm was dishing out.
The Star Destroyer Conqueror was able to be equipped with the same superlaser that are used on the Death Star I. Assuming that the Star Destroyer can bust Earth sized planets as a minimum since that's what its description was given to destroy whole planets and give it the same 24 hour recharge time the DS I had it would be producing 620 Petatons of TNT per second. That's enough energy to bust multiple continents the size of Africa every second.
The Executor class Star Destroyer is 100 times more massive than an ISD, so if size equals power than the Executor per second is producing 62,000 Petatons of TNT or 62 Exatons, to blow up our Moon you need 30 Exatons of TNT. The Eclipse while being a bit shorter has way more mass than an Executor class Star Destroyer, I would say at least 6 times so in total the Eclipse's power generation would be 496 Exatons of TNT per second.
Even if only 10 percent of that power was diverted to shields the Eclipse would have roughly 49 Exatons of TNT as its durability, to destroy it would take more energy than to destroy our Moon. Palpatine's Force Storm shattered it easily, so yeah there ya go.
Originally posted by The Merchant
I thought that size equals power usually, and that it should be 100 times more powerful overall? Also I think those numbers are kinda low, especially if a Star Destroyer can be equipped with a Mark I Superlaser.
I'm just repeating an official quote I saw cited on its wookiepedia page in the citation *shrugs*
I don't particularly care too much at 3:30 am to really think much harder on it
Actually, probably should try going to bed
Later
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Do you actually read any of the source material?Hell, let me link you a PDF
http://www.hungry-ewok.ru/sw/all_books.htm
Star Wars Incretible Cross-Sections Episode II: Attack of the Clones by Curtis Saxton
Hans Jensen, Richard Chasemore : Star Wars Complete Locations (p. 170-171)
^for cntrl f
Or is reading too much to expect from you when given a source to look up? :hmm
You expect me to spent hours going through books for the sake of checking the validity of your argument?
It is 'your' responsibility to validate 'your' argument with official information and references.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My dear,You expect me to spent hours going through books for the sake of checking the validity of your argument?
It is 'your' responsibility to validate 'your' argument with official information and references.
Its called an index for the first book and "I gave you the page number for the second"
If you can't be assed to do that much, why exactly should I be?
I gave you the material, you know terms like "venator class stary destroyer", quit being such a bitchy **** and look shit up :lmao
My god, this is a hobby, you're acting like a two bit politician :maybe
Originally posted by The Merchant
You do realize Star Destroyer's are equipped with a Hypermatter reactor right? And even if 1 percent of that power goes to the shields it still would be hundreds of Teratons of TNT. The asteroid that destroyed the Dinos was 100 teratons. In legends a Star Destroyer is powerful enough to have the same superlaser as the Death Star. Assuming its minimum is planet busting Earth sized planets that would mean its core is producing 669 Petatons of TNT. If 1 percent goes to it shields to destroy it you need Continent busting energies, which have planetary affects.Also you're wrong on your math, to bust Earth you need 54 Quadrillion Megatons of TNT or 54,000,000 Petatons of TNT.
A few Star Destroyers have been armed with Superlasers such as TOR era Silencer and Desolator and OT era Conqueror. Among them, Desolator ravaged an entire planet but the action itself is not documented, only the result is documented.
Coming back to the point, the offensive power to destroy a Star Destroyer is not the same that is required to destroy a planet. The defensive systems of a Star Destroyer are 'powered' by its core but their output is different from the energy needed to power the systems and their output have to be overwhelmed. Once a shield is overcome, the vessel is a defenseless mountain of machine beneath.
A Force Storm may pack sufficient energy to ravage the surface of a planet but size matters. To ravage an entire planet, a Force Storm of a certain size is required. A small Force Storm would ravage only a part of the planet.
Did I ever imply that? No I didn't. I just said that if just 1 percent of that power goes to the shields it would require planetary razing firepower to bring the shields down. The hull of a ship can also withstand several hits from the firepower before succumbing. So the Force Storm is capable of annihilating small Moons at the very least. Heck a Praetor class Star Destroyer crashed unto a planet and fractured it to its core.
Basically all these cases show that since the Force Storm casually annihilates ships that are that powerful than Palpatine can do that to a planet. Not to mention it can even teleport beings from across the Galaxy as well.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Did I ever imply that? No I didn't. I just said that if just 1 percent of that power goes to the shields it would require planetary razing firepower to bring the shields down. The hull of a ship can also withstand several hits from the firepower before succumbing. So the Force Storm is capable of annihilating small Moons at the very least. Heck a Praetor class Star Destroyer crashed unto a planet and fractured it to its core.Basically all these cases show that since the Force Storm casually annihilates ships that are that powerful than Palpatine can do that to a planet. Not to mention it can even teleport beings from across the Galaxy as well.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYour confused, I'm providing evidence he can kill a world, not obliterate a planet.
You realize how massive and powerful Death Star was? A single starship doesn't packs as much power as you are suggesting. Stop posting nonsense.See above.
We no for a fact that a Praetor-class battlecruiser (4,000 km) is enough to fracture the core of a planet if it collides at hyperspace speeds, because it happened to Pammant, the the subsequent radiation devastated the planet.
Three ISDs is more than enough to match the reactor-core power of a Praetor, and that wasn't even enough to overwhelm the Executor's shields, several more would be required to do that, and more on top of that to destroy the Eclipse.
Send that kind of destructive power into a planet and it will do more than fracture the core, it will tear the planet apart.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou've already conceded that this is a moot point, because it wasn't the full extent of his power, we haven't actually forgotten.
The Force Storm that made contact with Coruscant, also destroyed some Star Destroyers in its path. It did damage lot of infrastructure on the planet but didn't annihilate the planet itself.
Originally posted by The_TempestI don't think it was directly stated that Palpatine 'had' to use the energy of Byss in order to unleash Force Storms. However, the Dark Empire Handbook stated that Palpatine himself was far more powerful than normal while on Byss, which subsequently made it much easier for him to utilize his Force powers in general(which would logically include Force Storms):
Where is it said that Palpatine used the energy from Byss to unleash Force storms?
Maybe that's what LeGenD was referring to..?
Yeah, basically Palpatine was to Byss what Vitiate was to Ziost, except Palpatine made Byss that way, whereas Ziost was already a sith world, strong in the dark side, before Vitiate's arrival.
That's why I'm not seeing why people are placing Vitiate above Sidious (wait, yeah I do). I mean, his destruction of the planet was something Palpatine didn't do to Byss, as it was his prototype world for what he planned to do to the universe; however, Sidious can summon far more destructive energies instantaneously. Vitiate can't.
Oh, and Palpatine has the power to more than obliterate a planet.
Originally posted by Sinious
Very interesting. I always thought he didn't touch Byss until the last couple years of the Empire.
No, that's just when it reached it's peak in population, which was twice that of our own world.
I can't figure out the other source, but like Zen pointed out, The New Essential Guide was detailing events that took place shortly after the clone wars, Palpatine's population and corruption of Byss being one of them. Aside from that, Palpatine overpowered the entire jedi order's far-sight, and that was on a galactic scale. And, yes, it was Palpatine's doing according to the databank, and the comic version of AOTC, wherein Yoda's vision was blocked by an apparition of Sidious's hooded figure.
As I said before, there's a reason the force found Palpatine as a threat, and is the only time it directly interfered. It was basically the force's instinct to rid itself of Sidious.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
[B]Yeah, basically Palpatine was to Byss what Vitiate was to Ziost, except Palpatine made Byss that way, whereas Ziost was already a sith world, strong in the dark side, before Vitiate's arrival.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Weird, if you're going to make that point then I can simply say they're the same except Vitiate was able to control all of Ziost's citizens and then destroy the planet so uh no, they're not the same. And no, Sidious doesn't summon "more destructive" energies, nor does it do it instantaneously.
Do I know you in RL?
