Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because it invalidates your argument that the Sith Emperor could replicate this feat in physical form. 😬If you are going to tell me to not jump to conclusions, then you cannot, by your own logic, jump to the conclusion Vitiate could replicate this feat in physical form. Do you accept that?
I am not jumping to conclusions right now. Vitiate's story is in progress so I am likely to refrain from speculating about this matter.
However, it is important to understand Vitiate's characteristics and capabilities. Vitiate seems to have evolved to a degree that he no longer needs a biological form to manipulate the Force. He have become a being of pure dark side energy, and is able to manipulate the Force unlike any mortal or preserved essence.
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Vitiate have strongly pursued immortality since childhood; he went to great lengths to attain corporeal immortality.
He amasses an army of Sith followers and turns his back on Imperial politics to hone his skills in the dark side.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Lord Vitiate takes command of the Sith Empire, now in shambles following the Great Hyperspace War. He executes the Sith Council and consumes the life force of thousands of Sith Lords in a terrifying ritual that extends his life and vastly increases his capacity as a practitioner of the Force. Lord Vitiate declares himself Emperor of the Sith. Under his sovereign rule, the Empire retreats into deep space to rebuild its strength and prepare for vengeance.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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"But the ritual was not confined to the doomed Sith Lords. They were but the eye of the storm; the center of a vortex that spread across the entire planet. Every man, woman, and child on Nathema died that day. Every beast, bird, and fish; all the insects and plants; every living being touched by the Force was consumed. When the ritual ended, Nathema was no longer a world. It was a husk sucked dry. Lord Vitiate sacrificed millions, stealing their life force to make himself immortal. Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born."
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
As a corporeally immortal being:
The Emperor was no longer a member of the Sith species; his power and immortality had transformed him into a being unique in the galaxy.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
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Under the guidance of the Emperor—the immortal and all-powerful savior who still reigned over them even after a thousand years—they abandoned the hedonistic lifestyles of their barbaric ancestors.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
- Vitiate, continued to grow in power by virtue of feeding on the life force of other beings:
Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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The temple became a nexus of dark side energy as the Emperor performed rituals within, drawing strength and knowledge from his captives.
Taken from [/B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia[/B]
However, after assassination attempts from Revan, Vitiate realized that corporeal immorality won't be sufficient for his safety and mastered Essence Transfer technique. He began to possess other individuals and use them as his hosts (i.e. Voice). However, an aspect of Vitiate's Essence Transfer feats is worth paying attention:
The Voice also wields the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him. Those who converse with the Voice are overwhelmed with dread and unshakable obedience. To speak with the Voice is to speak with the Emperor himself.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Vitiate is able to imbue a host with his extraordinary power, while possessing it. At norm, a preserved essence is not able to augment the power of its host. However;
In his relentless pursuit of immortality, the Emperor explored the most sinister, uncharted depths of the dark side.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Vitiate have eventually evolved beyond the need of hosts or biological bodies to function and perform, he have become a being of pure dark side energy. So form or not, Vitiate can harness the Dark Side in extremely destructive ways. And his source of strength is feeding on life force of other beings and their deaths, essentially Force Drain related acts.
But I am curious:
Vitiate was a mortal at the time of Nathema ritual. He not only survived but significantly gained from this development. So what do you make of this?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What if isn't good enough. You need proof. Given that the Sith Emperor's Voices were possessed biological forms, that experienced natural decay, this is not a likelihood.
See above
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its not a maybe, its a fact, by your own admission the Sith Emperor lost power when his Voice died. This effect would have been magnified tenfold when Sidious' real body was destroyed.
No, Vitiate lost power from multiple factors that include:
1. Disruption of ultimate ritual
2. Loss of Voice
3. Loss of Children
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Hmm, those sources would seem to conflict. Regardless the point is Sidious managed to return to the physical plane by his own volition, whereas the Sith Emperor required aid.
The so-called aid is the act of Essence Transfer, for which a Hand was a suitable host. Vitiate used one of his Hands to arrive on Yavin IV and then resided in a Temple for recuperation, perfect setting.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its called a logical inference. Both the Dark Temple and Yavin 4 where dark side nexuses, the Sith Emperor had the power to draw on these nexuses, it would be in his best interests to do so and he has no reason not to, therefore he did.
I do not deny this possibility but you are comparing Vitiate's essence to Palpatine's essence in wrong manner. You compare them holistically, and then you would understand the difference and my point.
Vitiate have evolved into a being of pure dark side energy. In contrast, Palpatine learned Essence Transfer and used this talent to shift his essence into a virtually endless supply of clones that he created.
The Emperor, who had been unable to fully implement Darth Plagueis's teachings and cheat death through the Force, had settled for a lesser solution that required cloning technology to create host bodies.
Taken from Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology
Palpatine depended upon physical bodies to perform impressive actions because his ability to manipulate the Force - in essence form - was significantly restricted. Upon acquiring the first clone host, Palpatine spent years fueling his power by feeding on the life force of populace of Byss and eventually became more powerful then he ever had been. This newfound strength enabled him to unleash destructive powers such as Force Storm at will.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, I think the Hand's recovered his essence, I don't assume he traveled across time and space to possess them as Palpatine did.
Essence Transfer is not teleportation.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So your telling me that it takes an equal amount of strength to drain one individual as it does two? Or two million? Am I correct in that assumption?
My point is that Force Drain doesn't changes form with numbers. Whether a Force-user drains a single individual or millions, the nature of his Force Drain talent doesn't changes. What happens is that the Force-user is able to draw more strength from other individuals, as number of his targets increase.
Palpatine fed on the life force of the populace of Byss using a Force Drain ability known as Drain Life Essence.
All living things are a part of and contribute to the Force; even those with no awareness of the Force are affected by and are a part of it. Many beings go through their daily lives wasting much of their life energy.
This power draws that life energy from beings, allowing a Jedi to use that energy to further his or her own ends.
Taken from The Dark Empire: Sourcebook
In contrast, Vitiate initially subjected the populace of Ziost to Drain Life Essence to feed on their life force but began to subject them to more advanced Force Drain powers by which he was able to feed on their deaths and later on consume them fully.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No, I merely need to prove he could, and I have already done so.
Well, this is a possibility. Not documented evidence.
For comparison purpose, documented evidence holds more weightage.