Most powerful Sith? Spring 2015 ed.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Good. You would do well to remember that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I take note that in order to perform this feat he required an extensive ritual in which 8,000 Sith Lords partook him and was done over the course of 10 days. The most complex ritual ever performed. It is quite obvious that the act of consuming a planet is a difficult and dangerous process, and not to be undertaken without sufficient preparation.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Incorrect. Otherwise the Emperor would have been incapacitated by these events alone. His "death" was the final and heaviest blow:

"The unexpected blow was a shock. The Emperor's consciousness was wrenched from his Voice. He know slumbers, gathering strength."

And he required external sources to restore his power and mobility, unlike Palpatine. This is the holistic interpretation, its a matter of agency.

This happened first:

You've learned that the Emperor is on Dromund Kaas, temporarily weakened by your efforts thwarting his plan for galactic annihilation. Striking at him now is your best chance to defeat him once and for all.

Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Game

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Answer the following question:

Irrespective of the fact that the energy siphoned from those drained can be channeled into the act of further draining, does it require twice as much energy - again irrespective of where that energy may be derived - to consume two individuals in comparison to one?

Answer in few words, and without unnecessary fluff or evasion.

Energy siphoned from the subjects goes into slowing down the decay process of the body and fueling the power of the wielder.

The Force Storm dissipated because Sidious did not maintain it, it threatened to, as in it would have without interference.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But this event occurred much earlier in Vitiate's story. He had significantly grown in power since then.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not jumping to conclusions right now. Vitiate's story is in progress so I am likely to refrain from speculating about this matter.

That is Hand's interpretation and only a part of the holistic setback that Vitiate suffered.

This happened first:

You've learned that the Emperor is on Dromund Kaas, temporarily weakened by your efforts thwarting his plan for galactic annihilation. Striking at him now is your best chance to defeat him once and for all.

Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Game[/b]

The fact is death results in a significant loss of power.

What are you trying to assert?

Energy siphoned from the subjects goes into slowing down the decay process of the body and fueling the power of the wielder.

It's simple maths.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The Force Storm dissipated because Sidious did not maintain it, it threatened to, as in it would have without interference.

Now here is a realistic assessment:

In a last-minute reversal, a dark side Force storm intended to obliterate the New Republic headquarters consumed the Emperor instead - leaving the Dark Empire leaderless.

Taken from Star Wars: The Essential Atlas

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because the word of the Emperor's most trusted servant is to be questioned. 🙄

The fact is death results in a significant loss of power.

However, I have pointed out that Vitiate suffered a setback that went beyond the loss of his Voice, and validated this with evidence.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Isn't it obvious? The more targets drained the more power required, the less targets drained the less power required.

It's simple maths.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hand only knows what he knows. Nobody is refuting him or his credibility.

However, I have pointed out that Vitiate suffered a setback that went beyond the loss of his Voice, and validated this with evidence.

Yes. But how exactly this translates to tsunami of destructive dark side energy? It doesn't.

Numbers are absolutely irrelevant.

Palpatine can perform the Byss feat to two thousand times the potency on Ziost. That's how we get there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I think the fact that Vitiate was so exhausted and weakened before he died has a big part in why he couldn't return so easily. He was broken and then killed.

Numbers are irrelevant in Vitiate's case; if anything, he would benefit from a larger population.

He doesn't drain things individually, he summons a rapidly expanding death field that destroys everything caught in it's radius.

As I have already said to Legend, the mechanics of Vitiate's power are irrelevant, all that is important is that Sidious could replicate this feat by magnfying the Byss feat two thousand fold, Sidious was not conjuring a death field, he was targeting and siphoning the will of planet's life forms individually. So in his case, numbers are very much relevant. However I am not entirely sure in terms of Vitiate we are dealing with a explosion of energy here, but just the visual effects of Vitiate targeting and completely draining everything on the planet.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
You've lost total track of the point. I was validating that it is a fact that upon death, you lose power, hence the death of Sidious would have come at a loss of power.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because it invalidates the statement you made:

You've just admitted they are absolutely relevant, refuting your argument against my calculations, they therefore stand.

Palpatine can perform the Byss feat to two thousand times the potency on Ziost. That's how we get there.It was just a Voice though, as I said to Legend, the death of Sidious' actual body would magnify the effect tenfold.

Vitiate's Force Drain feats on Ziost are the most destructive and complex on record yet. Vitiate unleashed a tsunami of destructive energy across the planet Ziost, in which the entire populace was caught and consumed. Numbers are irrelevant. And more importantly, this power is absolutely different from the application of Drain Life Essence.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As I have already said to Legend, the mechanics of Vitiate's power are irrelevant, all that is important is that Sidious could replicate this feat by magnfying the Byss feat two thousand fold, Sidious was not conjuring a death field, he was targeting and siphoning the will of planet's life forms individually. So in his case, numbers are very much relevant. However I am not entirely sure in terms of Vitiate we are dealing with a explosion of energy here, but just the visual effects of Vitiate targeting and completely draining everything on the planet.

Vitiate unleashed a massive wave of energy that engulfed the entire planet and any living being caught within it was consumed. This is what the visuals depict and this is very different from Draining Life Essence.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
However I am not entirely sure in terms of Vitiate we are dealing with a explosion of energy here, but just the visual effects of Vitiate targeting and completely draining everything on the planet.

Same here, the visualization of the attack and the thing with the buildings make it more complicated.

Originally posted by Sinious
Same here, the visualization of the attack and the thing with the buildings make it more complicated.

Yeah, I know. I've seen the missions too. So what does that tell us? The attack was different than Natemha? Perhaps its even more potent?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate unleashed a massive wave of energy that engulfed the entire planet and any living being caught within it was consumed. This is what the visuals depict and this is very different from Draining Life Essence.

The visuals depict Vitiate draining the life energy of every living thing on Byss, seeing as this was his intention and that causing damage to the planet and its structures served on purpose, I'd assume that it was a mere side effect of this outburst Force draining of power.

Therefore if Sidious were to perform such a level of drain (as I have proven him capable) we'd assume it result in a similar destructive outburst.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well at least you accept that Palpatine could replicate the Force drain aspect.

The visuals depict Vitiate draining the life energy of every living thing on Byss, seeing as this was his intention and that causing damage to the planet and its structures served on purpose, I'd assume that it was a mere side effect of this outburst Force draining of power.

Therefore if Sidious were to perform such a level of drain (as I have proven him capable) we'd assume it result in a similar destructive outburst.

B/W Vitiate's power produced shockwaves that shook even the space stations orbiting the planet.

Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah, I know. I've seen the missions too. So what does that tell us? The attack was different than Natemha? Perhaps its even more potent?

I think it's exactly like Nathema, except done without the aid of hundreds of Sith Lords, and it didn't take several days.

LmFAO @ Sidious mastering all Force Powers.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I think it's exactly like Nathema, except done without the aid of hundreds of Sith Lords, and it didn't take several days.

I never thought Natemha was like that but since we have no info on it, I guess this is the way to explain it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LmFAO @ Sidious mastering all Force Powers.

Originally posted by Sinious
I never thought Natemha was like that but since we have no info on it, I guess this is the way to explain it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am sorry but nothing indicates that Sidious have mastered Force Drain talents to the degree that Vitiate have. Raw power is one factor and command of the applications is another factor; both collectively define ability to manipulate the Force.

B/W Vitiate's power produced shockwaves that shook even the space stations orbiting the planet.

So what aspects exactly is Sidious lacking mastery over?

Again that was not his intention, so is again a side effect of the life draining power.

Sidious has demonstrated he can Force drain on a planetary scope, all that is left is raw power.

So what aspects exactly is Sidious lacking mastery over?

Again that was not his intention, so is again a side effect of the life draining power.