The source that says Nihilus has no counter comes from Traya-chan. Same source thinks Nihilus at best is on par with some of the Ancient Sith. So yeah, you can't really pick and choose tbh. The Sith she mentioned IIRC are:
Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Pall, Kressh, and Nadd. This should extend to Exar Kun and Ulic as well.
I do think his drain is hax'd but in raw power he's at best comparable to them according to Traya.
Originally posted by The MerchantHuh? When did I/anyone claim as much?
Darth Nihilus isn't the strongest Sith. if you're taking what Traya says at face value she thinks that in his prime he would only rival some of the Ancient Sith she mentioned.
Originally posted by The MerchantThe Great Sith War occurred only several decades ago, so I don't think it would include them.
This should extend to Exar Kun and Ulic as well.
Originally posted by The Merchant
The source that says Nihilus has no counter comes from Traya-chan. Same source thinks Nihilus at best is on par with some of the Ancient Sith. So yeah, you can't really pick and choose tbh. The Sith she mentioned IIRC are:Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Pall, Kressh, and Nadd. This should extend to Exar Kun and Ulic as well.
I do think his drain is hax'd but in raw power he's at best comparable to them according to Traya.
It isn't about picking and choosing, we believe Traya in one case over the other based on simple logic and verifiable facts. Nihilus has demonstrated power on a massive scale, whereas the other Sith you mentioned haven't done anything in the same ballpark as him. Traya's claims about the ancient Sith comes off as an overestimation of a biased historian.
By contrast there's not really any cause to doubt her about the drain and it's kind of irrelevant if she is or is not 100% correct. It still implicates that no standard defense is sufficient and no one has ever proven a clear defense for it. Ulic's thing is the only plausible suggestion which only applies to 3 characters in the mythos which tbh Nihilus can just ragdoll if it comes to it.
Originally posted by Nephthys👆
It isn't about picking and choosing, we believe Traya in one case over the other based on simple logic and verifiable facts. Nihilus has demonstrated power on a massive scale, whereas the other Sith you mentioned haven't done anything in the same ballpark as him. Traya's claims about the ancient Sith comes off as an overestimation of a biased historian.By contrast there's not really any cause to doubt her about the drain and it's kind of irrelevant if she is or is not 100% correct. It still implicates that no standard defense is sufficient and no one has ever proven a clear defense for it. Ulic's thing is the only plausible suggestion which only applies to 3 characters in the mythos which tbh Nihilus can just ragdoll if it comes to it.
EDIT: We should also take into account that Traya is referring to mastery over a specific technique, not overall Force power. We don't know what she regards as superior mastery, and surely it can only apply to known masters of Force drain i.e. the Sith Emperor.
Originally posted by The MerchantAh k, my bad.
Not you Beni. Was referring to Board Walkers claim that in one on one combat Nihilus>all other Sith. Also what I mean is that there are sources that claim Kun surpassed all Sith in the TOTJ series. Which includes guys like Ragnos.
And I see, that would make more sense.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😐 There would appear to be some ground realities you need to educate yourself on.I can assure you the rumour has been confirmed: It is also implied that Nihilus chose to spare Visas, and indeed there is no other reason why she would have lived and everything else died.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It is also implied that Nihilus chose to spare Visas, and indeed there is no other reason why she would have lived and everything else died.
Why would Darth Nihilus want to spare a random individual?
Maybe Visas Marr survived due to luck factor, that her position at the time of disaster may have facilitated her survival.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Fact is Nihilus devastated the entire planet and drained it completely of life.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vitiate merely managed to cause structural damage, Nihilus ravaged and decimated the entire surface.
Have a good look at this image:
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Bearing in mind that although the atmosphere was left intact, so was the atmosphere of Ziost and Nathema.
You call this atmosphere?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So how as Vitiate surpassed this in any way?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIncorrect, the surface of Ziost remained intact, dead, but intact.
Those interpretations and descriptions are valid for Vitiate's feat as well.
Nihilus is described as obliterating Katarr, and destroying the surface as if orbitally bombarded. Vitiate's feat is not in the same league.
Read the comments: http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Nik_TehPimpXor/media/Nihilus2.jpg.html😐Why would Darth Nihilus want to spare a random individual?
Maybe Visas Marr survived due to luck factor, that her position at the time of disaster may have facilitated her survival.
Read the comic:
Source: Unseen, UnheardNihilius deliberately allowed her to live.I did not know why he had brought me here.
I asked him why he spared me.
And although he said nothing, I suddenly knew the answer.
It is because he wanted my people at last to see.
Vitiate decimated the planet's atmosphere, oceans, structures, flora and fauna. Essentially much of the environment.I looked, the surface of the planet remains intact.Have a good look at this image:
Have a good look:I'm sorry am I supposed to be able to perceive air?You call this atmosphere?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the atmosphere is said to be breathable and people land on the planet.
Both are phenomenal showings but I find Vitiate's demonstration more extreme due to reasons cited above including ZERO survivors.Your going to have to update me on those reasons.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious was the source of the power. In fact, he was defined by such energy according to the DE endnotes. So, yes, with the source of the power gone, then the storm would logically disappear, as it did. The source was very clear on the threat Sidious's power posed had he not been stopped, there's nothing hyperbolic about something that's confirmed to what would have happened. Nothing you can say can override that. If you want to go there, I can dismiss many of Vitiate's with the same reasoning.
Also, this is the quote from the Dark Empire endnotes:
The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.
The term "burst open the fabric of space" refers to creation of a wormhole that defies space-time continuum.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Actually, Nihilus beats Vitiate, since Nihilus did it upon arrival. People are so worked up over Vitiate's feat because it happens onscreen and looks flashier then it would in a comic. If Vitiate can use such power instantly, then prove it, because if he can't, no one would wait for him to do it (I'm referring to Sidious level opponents of course). All consuming reality tearing storm >>> planetary tsunami. Common sense.
Nihilus prepared to devour all life on the planet, and Nihilus’s dreadnought, the Ravager, was met by the Republic Navy and Mandalorian forces. During the battle, the Exile boarded the Ravager and faced Nihilus. Unable to devour the Exile as he had so many others, Nihilus was finally defeated. With Telos safe, the Exile pursued Kreia.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic
As for Katarr, its devastation is among the most impressive demonstrations of the Force ability but Visas Marr somehow survived this apocalyptic event.
Walking Katarr's lifeless surface later, Darth Nihilus came across the only survivor: the traumatized Miraluka Visas Marr, whom Nihilus took as his apprentice.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic
As for Vitiate's feat, I think that your bias is the issue. It is the most impressive demonstration of Force ability of apocalyptic proportions so far. Vitiate decimated the planet's atmosphere, oceans, structures, flora and fauna. Essentially much of the environment. And he did so really fast.
And Vitiate unleashed this power just like another Force power, it quickly ravaged the planet:
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vitiate's child hood is meaningless. The quote you gave was clear, the force waited for the inevitable--a light side champion. With Sidious, the force directly involved itself and HAD to create it's own, making Sidious's death the most important prophecy to be fulfilled in the entire mythos. Curious, why didn't the force act in the same manner with Vitiate?
This is like the case of Abeloth. It is stated that Abeloth is unleashed during times of great chaos and anarchy. But their have been many extremely violent events and developments in history in which Abeloth was not unleashed.
It can be noticed that when Vitiate began to threaten the entire galaxy, multiple 'champions of light' emerged to stop him.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nothing Vitiate has done contradicts Palpatine's placement as the most powerful sith. There's also no canon source that states the ones of Mortis can't be surpassed after they're dead (other than the father), therefore Palpatine being referred to as the dark side's most powerful expression may just be the truth. Vitiate's quotes refer to his time. That said, he's still only the second most powerful SITH. Sadly, though, he's still way below Palpatine per feats and quotes, and the threat they both posed to the force. Also, the Essential Chronologic has been updated since Vitiate was introduced to the mythos, and the quote about Sidious being the most powerful is still there, not that it matter, though.
But you and me are on the same page regarding The Ones. That they have peers in Vitiate, Nihilus, and Sidious.
Vitiate's time and hype covers The Ones by the way.
Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology was released in 2005. Vitiate have been introduced to the mythos in 2011.
