Originally posted by Beniboybling
I do not recall promoting Nihilus as a literal blackhole in the Force.
I shall refresh your memory:
"Nihilus isn't being considered, because simply put he's just a massive black hole."
Source: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=6559140
Originally posted by Beniboybling
A wound in the Force yes, more phenomenon than man? Yes.
Vitiate is also more than a man; he is a being of pure dark side power, the embodiment of the Dark Side.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Exempt from rank and comparison? Indeed.
Then why are you using him for comparison? 😂
Also, this is your perception. Darth Nihilus is a Force-user, and is not exempt from comparison at official capacity.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The fact that that makes you feel threatened is not my problem, nor am I interested in childish and petulant insults and accusations of favoritism. Claims to a lack of credibility tend to backfire when you debase yourself to this level of debating.Engage with the facts without letting personal opinion and prejudice get in the way, or I will cease taking you seriously.
You act like as if everybody takes you seriously. Their are members who don't bother responding to you.
I give you time and attention because I find your aptitude for debate positive. However, I have noticed extreme rigidity in your stance in regards to certain matters of the lore. This isn't good for reaching an understanding in a debate. Either you show flexibility or you risk alienating your peers one by one. Your choice.
My responses are based on official information, visual depictions, and logic. And I do agree with a response of yours that I find properly substantiated. However, if you are trying to pass off metaphors and questionable character claims as facts then you are not going to convince me with them.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And for the record, never once have I claimed Darth Sidious superior to Darth Nihilus, given that I do not rank him. Again I would cease the baseless accusations before you further embarrass yourself.
You exempt Nihilus from ranking by virtue of his demonstrated ability to ravage entire worlds. Now that Vitiate have got a comparable showing, you need to find a way to assert Sidious's superiority over Vitiate but this is not working because Vitiate have superior showings then Sidious.
I don't care if you exempt Nihilus from ranking, I will strongly and always assert that Vitiate > Nihilus because this is officially confirmed years ago.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
In order to make a comparison you need two pieces of evidence. An absence of evidence is not evidence in itself.You are making the baseless assumption that Nihilus did not vaporise living beings on Katarr, despite being totally unaware of its effects on living beings. Your making an appeal to ignorance, that is a logical fallacy.
I am saying that their is no visual demonstration and confirmation of Nihilus vaporizing living beings on Katarr. Do you notice the difference in what I am asserting and what you are subscribing to me?
If you think otherwise then provide a single example of Nihilus vaporizing a living being with his Force Drain powers.
Originally posted by Beniboybling What astounds me is your inability to interpret this information to its logical conclusion. We see Nihilus visually destroying entire cities with his power, we are told that Nihilus possesses the literal ability to destroy a world and we are told that it would take orbital bombardment to replicate the surfaces destruction, from this we logically conclude that Nihilus can cause devastating damage to the surface of planets.
I am able to distinguish between an evidence and a claim. Nihilus's power inflicting extensive damage to the infrastructure on Katarr - is visually confirmed. But their is no visual confirmation of Nihilus's power shattering the surface of the planet, only a claim of Meetra Surik which is not substantiated because she haven't visited Katarr. You understand the difference now?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its a cumulative argument, Legend. By cross-referencing it with other descriptions it becomes obvious that the Exile's words are authorial intent.
I disagree! Force Drain powers do not have such destructive ability, they are designed to influence living beings only. If collateral damage occurs, it is by virtue of sheer intensity of the power or that the Force-wielder is multi-tasking with Force abilities. As an analogy, it is possible to collapse a building with telekinetic abilities but this development would not destroy the planet's surface in the location where the building once stood.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Can you provide a quote? What is important however is it is proof of Nihilus' destructive power.
You want a quote to accept the fact that Vitiate is the destroyer of worlds after witnessing the events of Ziost? 🙄
Again, the term "destroyer of worlds" is a metaphor. Nihilus doesn't tears a planet apart. He, however, creates apocalyptic scenarios for the worlds with his powers. Same is correct for Vitiate.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Delusional? People walk on the planets surface, therefore the atmosphere is intact."Gameplay" reasons is not a legitimate excuse at all. Please explain to me which aspect of those images proves the atmosphere as been destroyed.
And also learn to size your images properly.
Players walk on planet surface. Reason?
MMOAtmosphere of Ziost isn't intact because its climatic conditions are gone and the world is a husk sucked dry. The conditions of Ziost have become similar to that of Medriaas:
The Emperor had consumed everything. Life, sound, color, even the Force—nothing remained. This wasn’t about conquest or domination or destroying an enemy—all concepts Scourge embraced.
Everything on Nathema had simply been snuffed out, extinguished so completely that it ceased to have any meaning or purpose. It was a vacuum of existence; a blight on the natural order.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
