Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Planets don't "naturally heal" after literally all the life dies on it, and it would take a hell of a lot longer than a few thousand years. And in case you didn't know, and you continue to talk as if you don't TOR was also retconned by Disney, saying it is definitely a part of the EU.
Q: Are The Old Republic expansions canon?
A: No — BioWare "has created their own universe that is so fantastic," we're not going to change it, says Hidalgo.
Source: STAR WARS official website
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well for starters, Nihilus destroying more worlds than Vitiate is frankly irrelevant if they were done on separate occasions.Secondly, we see for ourselves that Ziost has been completely devastated, no life remains on the planet. Any earlier sources with post GGW Ziost are effectively retconned, not the other way around.
Finally, the Revan novel made it pretty clear that Nathema, and by extension Ziost, > Malachor.
It is not irrelevant when we know for a fact that Nihilus can perform this at will.
No we saw the effects of the Great Hyperspace War on Ziost, nothing close to the near total annihilation of the planet as LeGenD suggests.
It's effects in the Force were far stronger, not the actual physical destruction of the world, Malachor V was split apart repeatedly to it's core and this caused an asteroid field around the mass shadows.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
There's no reason to assume an objective source would exaggerate. In terms of literature, hyperbolic statements are usually used from a character's point of view, as it's common for fallible characters/people to exaggerate events. Objective sources can be vague, but what's vague about the term "all of space?" It's a very explicit statement, clear as can be. Even if we do accept it as overreaching, well to what extent? Even hyperbolic statements are used to convey a certain point. In this case, do you honestly think all of space meant a single moon? There's no reason to assume the author would expect the reader to assume that. I'm familiar with all of the quotes regarding the storm and none of them contradict The Comics Companion. In fact, The Comics Companion is more objective then the majority of sources regarding Palpatine's storms. Sorry but you have no authority to dismiss a statement from an omniscience source.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I could more easily dismiss Vitiate's galaxy consuming ritual, and assert that it never threatened to do what Vitiate planned it to do.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yes, it's been like that since the beginning. Bad guy comes and is inevitably defeated. Not once has the force interfered until Palpatine, and then the force went out of it's way to interfere and create a being to rid itself of Sidious. Obviously Palpatine was a greater threat than any other, and the force perceived him in such a manner, otherwise it would have happened more often. Palpatine wasn't ordinary For someone so good at math, you're certainly not doing it.No, Nihilus and Vitiate aren't in the same league with Sidious.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I said the book was edited and re-released after Vitiate's introduction to the mythos. It doesn't matter really though, because nothing about Vitiate contradicts those source, so there's no need ignore them.
Originally posted by SiniousYou should account for the fact that Nihilus is a wound in the Force, which would amplify his Force drain abilities tenfold.
Then why isn't he considered to be the strongest Sith?
They are incomparable, really.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSWTOR is Legends, same as everything else.
BioWare SWTOR is an alternate to Disney Canon saga:-Q: Are The Old Republic expansions canon?
A: No — BioWare "has created their own universe that is so fantastic," we're not going to change it, says Hidalgo.
Source: STAR WARS official website
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And on what basis are you claiming Nihilus is not using the same technique?
Darth Nihilus's apocalpytic Force Drain seems to contain telekinetic elements and enables wielder to feed on deaths on mass-scale. It doesn't disintegrates living beings however.
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes." (Darth Traya)
Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/383263147445854208Gameplay is canon. If your going claim that in this instance is not, your going to have to do more than prove the atmosphere was destroyed. So far you've proven it was damaged at best.
"Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be."
Revisiting Ziost after apocalyptic scenario is not a story-driven development.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You should account for the fact that Nihilus is a wound in the Force, which would amplify his Force drain abilities tenfold.They are incomparable, really.
Originally posted by Selenial
Legend there is a cutscene in which the atmosphere is stated livable. Deal with it.
B/W this isn't proof of continuation of story. Their is no story content on Ziost after the apocalypse.
What is even the point of this argument? Vitiate unleashed a deadly field of dark side energy that enveloped Ziost and killed all life on it's surface. It also seems that the corrosive effects of the dark side also caused some buildings to crumble and corrupted the atmosphere. This is all painfully clear. The only debate that should be going on right now is how much effort and/or prep and/or resources Vitiate required to perform the ritual.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Still doesn't takes away from the fact that Ziost's atmosphere have been significantly harmed.B/W this isn't proof of continuation of story. Their is no story content on Ziost after the apocalypse.
The far right will be thrilled. Vitiate's force global warming confirms it isn't man made.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWhat is this supposed to prove? Nihilus has demonstrated the ability to corrupt and desiccate flesh, so on what basis are we ruling out disintegration?
"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes." (Darth Traya)
Sounds like we are making baseless conclusions.
Nihilus's Force Drain abilities are amplified tenfold, this is why he is able to consume on planetary-scale; a feat that few can match. Vitiate, in particular, rivals him in these matters.What's this? A final realisation of Nihilus' uniqueness among Force Users?
Only when it favors Vitiate, of course. 🙄
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Show me this quote with visual evidence.The impact of this ritual is visually depicted and documented in SWTOR sources.
The Force is a cosmic energy-field that shapes life. Several champions of Light have emerged in history to challenge the forces of darkness. Whether these champions were a product of natural reproduction or virgin birth, they all represent the will of the Force. And the Force have always willed elimination of forces of darkness. Darth Sidious isn't the only being of darkness who have been challenged in galactic history and he won't be the last one either.
Provide evidence.
No, I no longer own it. Look through it on amazon and type in key words. It should pop up.
Omniscience source >>>> vague vision. Math, LeGenD.
So the force went out of it's way to interfere in ways it never has before because Sidious was just the usual threat? I doubt that. The force went out of it's way to create a being with unmatched potential. Obviously the force didn't have faith in normal beings, so it created one unnaturally. Why didn't the force create one for Vitiate? I mean, it could have saved time, instead of going through so many champions. Math, I calculate the force was just waiting for the inevitable for Vitiate, as it did with every other sith, except for Sidious.
You must be losing faith. Any other time you're quick to look up info. It doesn't really matter, since nothing contradicts any of the sources. Is there a rule that we ignore sources after a certain amount of years?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm not sure how Vitiate destroying Ziost is comparable to Nihilus destroying a planet with a sheer [b]thought. [/B]
Hyperbole much? Nihilus fed his hunger subconsciously at this point. At a certain point he was going to die because of it. He is an exception to ANY rule.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
What is even the point of this argument? Vitiate unleashed a deadly field of dark side energy that enveloped Ziost and killed all life on it's surface. It also seems that the corrosive effects of the dark side also caused some buildings to crumble and corrupted the atmosphere. This is all painfully clear. The only debate that should be going on right now is how much effort and/or prep and/or resources Vitiate required to perform the ritual.
To clear this up, though, the difference between Malachor V and Nathema:
As the ship drew closer to the dingy brown world she felt a growing sense of unease and discomfort. In some ways it reminded her of Malachor V—the massive and instantaneous loss of life on that doomed world had created a wound in the Force. The activation of the mass-shadow generator had obliterated two armies, shredding apart the bonds of the Force that linked all living things. Meetra had been close enough to feel the shock wave; to survive it she had cut herself off from the Force, shielding her psyche against the horrors of what she had unleashed. Many years had passed before she regained her connection to the Force, but in the end, surviving the trauma of Malachor V had given her the strength to defeat Darth Traya and her followers. The events of Malachor had left a mark on the Force; a wound that would not heal. Here, however, the Force was simply … gone. It was as if someone had ripped it away, leaving only an empty void behind. She had visited Malachor V years after the cataclysm of the mass-shadow generator. Traversing its surface had been agony. Mentally, she had still sensed the anguish of all who had lost their lives there. Physically, the intense gravity of the world had held her in its crushing grip, leaving her gasping for breath. It had been the most awful and horrific experience of her life … until now. On Malachor she’d felt the echoes of unimaginable pain and suffering—but at least she’d felt something. Here on Nathema, there was only a cold emptiness. It was unnatural; abhorrent. On Malachor she had felt the echo of great destruction; here there was only the unbearable void of annihilation.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
To clear this up, though, the difference between Malachor V and Nathema:As the ship drew closer to the dingy brown world she felt a growing sense of unease and discomfort. In some ways it reminded her of Malachor V—the massive and instantaneous loss of life on that doomed world had created a wound in the Force. The activation of the mass-shadow generator had obliterated two armies, shredding apart the bonds of the Force that linked all living things. Meetra had been close enough to feel the shock wave; to survive it she had cut herself off from the Force, shielding her psyche against the horrors of what she had unleashed. Many years had passed before she regained her connection to the Force, but in the end, surviving the trauma of Malachor V had given her the strength to defeat Darth Traya and her followers. [B]The events of Malachor had left a mark on the Force; a wound that would not heal. Here, however, the Force was simply … gone.
It was as if someone had ripped it away, leaving only an empty void behind. She had visited Malachor V years after the cataclysm of the mass-shadow generator. Traversing its surface had been agony. Mentally, she had still sensed the anguish of all who had lost their lives there. Physically, the intense gravity of the world had held her in its crushing grip, leaving her gasping for breath. It had been the most awful and horrific experience of her life … until now. On Malachor she’d felt the echoes of unimaginable pain and suffering—but at least she’d felt something. Here on Nathema, there was only a cold emptiness. It was unnatural; abhorrent. On Malachor she had felt the echo of great destruction; here there was only the unbearable void of annihilation. [/B]