Originally posted by NewGuy01I think its pretty obvious from Unseen, Unheard that the Ravager does not fire a single shot, and that it is Nihilus' dark energy that is destroying the planet.
Well that's because Nihilus and his fleet "blasted" worlds to ruin as he fed on the planet' life energies per the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. So Katarr being flattened makes sense.
Speaking of which:
Vitiate is slacking in his destructive powers tbh.
Vitiate's Power (from Darth Marr)
"Something went awry with the communications platform. I had intended to commend you for your work thus far, but I have just received word that your breakthrough against Vitiate is only temporary.
This is most distressing. Vitiate may be more powerful then any of us assumed. And as he does not appear to have any manner of physical form, he cannot be restrained or destroyed by conventional means.
The order to evacuate Ziost in priority sequence have been approved. I will contact you again if anything changes."
Evidence:
Yeah, the quote about Nihilus blasting worlds into ruin almost certainly means orbital bombardment, since it mentions his capital ship and we see buildings being destroyed/fires being started, which is definitely not the product of Drain.
As for holding the ship together, it's a possibility, but the ship remains intact even after his death, so it's not as if he held it together to such an extent that it would've fallen apart without him - because it didn't, and it required several proton bombs to actually destroy the ship.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceWhile true, I think its important to note that Sidious spread his dark side influence across the entire galaxy, and it was indeed his death that caused the balance to be restored, he was became a fulcrum of the dark side, a focal point, by merit of his power.
Anakin was born BEFORE Sidious became the most powerful Sith, hell before Sidious even became the most powerful Sith alive at the time, so the fact that Anakin was born has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with this thread. Anakin's existence came about because of the combined efforts of Plagueis and Sidious. Not because Sidious was super powerful.
Originally posted by SunRazerExcept we don't see a single shot fired, and since when to turbolasers manifest as massive black clouds?
Yeah, the quote about Nihilus blasting worlds into ruin almost certainly means orbital bombardment, since it mentions his capital ship and we see buildings being destroyed/fires being started, which is definitely not the product of Drain.As for holding the ship together, it's a possibility, but the ship remains intact even after his death, so it's not as if he held it together to such an extent that it would've fallen apart without him - because it didn't, and it required several proton bombs to actually destroy the ship.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I think its pretty obvious from Unseen, Unheard that the Ravager does not fire a single shot, and that it is Nihilus' dark energy that is destroying the planet.Speaking of which:
Vitiate is slacking in his destructive powers tbh.
Also, as pointed out to you earlier, you are comparing two different types of Force powers here.
Vitiate's Force Drain powers do not possess telekinetic elements, they are pure sorcery.
Darth Nihilus's Force Drain powers seem to possess telekinetic elements however.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
While true, I think its important to note that Sidious spread his dark side influence across the entire galaxy, and it was indeed his death that caused the balance to be restored, he was became a fulcrum of the dark side, a focal point, by merit of his power.Except we don't see a single shot fired, and since when to turbolasers manifest as massive black clouds?
A lot of things referenced by sourcebooks (such as some of Palpatine and Vitiate's showings) occur off-panel. Still, it makes sense, considering the buildings collapse and the "black clouds" look like fireballs to me.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSurey. Note that the rocks formations remain intact also.
Imperial Structures are also much more durable then normal structures. They are designed to withstand heavy firepower of enemy.Also, as pointed out to you earlier, you are comparing two different types of Force powers here.
Vitiate's Force Drain powers do not possess telekinetic elements, they are pure sorcery.
Darth Nihilus's Force Drain powers seem to possess telekinetic elements however.
I think the only thing Vitiate manages to destroy is some old temples...
And as I have said previously, there would be no purpose to either of them to cause physical destruction to the planets they are draining, the most logical explanation therefore is that it is a "waste product" of the process itself, much like how lasers emit heat as waste energy.
It's just a reflection of the immense amount of power being exerted.
Originally posted by SunRazerTake a look at this image:
A lot of things referenced by sourcebooks (such as some of Palpatine and Vitiate's showings) occur off-panel. Still, it makes sense, considering the buildings collapse and the "black clouds" look like fireballs to me.
Does it look like orbital bombardment now?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Surey. Note that the rocks formations remain intact also.I think the only thing Vitiate manages to destroy is some old temples...
And as I have said previously, there would be no purpose to either of them to cause physical destruction to the planets they are draining, the most logical explanation therefore is that it is a "waste product" of the process itself, much like how lasers emit heat as waste energy.
It's just a reflection of the immense amount of power being exerted.
I think that the structures collapsed due to tremors.
Also, we don't have a high budget visual depiction of the event, so
realism factor is likely lacking to some extent.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYes and I'm sure it was Vitiate's intention to cause the space station to shake too, what, for wow factor?
The intensity of Vitiate's attack was such that it produced tremors on the planet's surface and even shook the space stations orbiting the planet.I think that the structures collapsed due to tremors.
Again, all the non-drain related side effects of both powers, unintentional side effects, are manifestations and therefore reflections of the sheer amount of raw power being exerted. The side effects of the Katarr incident are more devastating, the amount of raw power being exerted therefore more potent.
Also, we don't have a high budget visual depiction of the event, so realism factor is likely lacking to some extent.Well that's too bad, come back when Vitiate can afford Nihilus-tier feats tbh.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes and I'm sure it was Vitiate's intention to cause the space station to shake too, what, for wow factor?Again, all the non-drain related side effects of both powers, unintentional side effects, are manifestations and therefore reflections of the sheer amount of raw power being exerted. The side effects of the Katarr incident are more devastating, the amount of raw power being exerted therefore more potent.
Well that's too bad, come back when Vitiate can afford Nihilus-tier feats tbh.
BioWare doesn't have resources to depict destruction of this scale. It is too expensive.
This is among the greatest demonstrations of Force ability in the mythos thus far, certainly in the TIER of Darth Nihilus's greatest showings.
And Vitiate is stated to possess immeasurable power, he is more powerful then Darth Nihilus. Come back when Nihilus can afford to atomize living beings like Vitiate tbh.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBut the natural and man made structures on the planet remained largely intact.
Vitiate's sorcery have apparently extensively harmed the planet's atmosphere and environment, leaving a barren wasteland.
This visual does not dispute that, it merely demonstrates that they were discolored.
You can pretend that if BioWare had a bigger budget they would have blown up the planet instead but that wouldn't make your argument any more laughable. Fact is it didn't happen, you're therefore going to have to come to terms with the fact that it is an inferior showing to Katarr.
Do your best.
Come back when Nihilus can afford to atomize living beings like Vitiate tbh.Not sure why you brought that up, since I've already demonstrated how your appealing to ignorance.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But the natural and man made structures on the planet remained largely intact. You can pretend that if BioWare had a bigger budget they would have blown up the planet instead but that wouldn't make your argument any more laughable, fact is it didn't happen, its not canon and you're therefore going to have to come to terms with the fact that it is an inferior showing to Katarr.
You expect BioWare to simulate the entire apocalyptic event? It would require millions of dollars.
Again, Vitiate's Force Drain powers do not harm structures, these powers are not supposed to. These powers are designed to harm living beings and in this aspect, Vitiate's showing is most potent and impressive in the mythos. Though Vitiate's Force Drain powers have harmed the planet's atmosphere as well.
The remainder of the environmental damage (including structures) is likely an outcome of earthquakes or tremors that Vitiate's tsunami of dark side energy caused as a side-effect by virtue of its sheer intensity.
By all accounts, this is among the greatest and most potent demonstrations of Force ability in the mythos.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not sure why you brought that up, considering you've failed to prove Nihilus could not.
You need to prove that his Force Drain powers are potent enough to atomize living beings, since this was your proposition. Do your best.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, the quote about Nihilus blasting worlds into ruin almost certainly means orbital bombardment, since it mentions his capital ship and we see buildings being destroyed/fires being started, which is definitely not the product of Drain.As for holding the ship together, it's a possibility, but the ship remains intact even after his death, so it's not as if he held it together to such an extent that it would've fallen apart without him - because it didn't, and it required several proton bombs to actually destroy the ship.
That's complete bullshit, Nihilus didn't use his fleet to bombard planets. Why the hell would need to? He can drain entire planets and his drain is lethal, theres absolutely no reason why he'd need to kill everyone before he drains them. The drain itself "is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes."
Nihilus is referenced multiples times as having the power to destroy planets and as a killer of worlds. Suggesting he just used a fleet is utter nonsense.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDShow me tbh. And why would other areas be different? The energy was distributed evenly across the planet.
Only a small part of Ziost is depicted in the game. Even in that part, collapsed structures and environmental harm is visible.
You expect BioWare to simulate the entire apocalyptic event? It would require millions of dollars.That doesn't give you permission to assume he could because you want it to be so.
Again, Vitiate's Force Drain powers do not harm structures, these powers are not supposed to.Nihilus' Force Drain powers weren't supposed to either, so what's your point?
The remainder of the environmental damage (including structures) is likely an outcome of earthquakes or tremors that Vitiate's tsunami of dark side energy caused as a side-effect by virtue of its sheer intensity.Which was the same case for Nihilus, except the side effects were more intense, how many times must I repeat this?
By all accounts, this is among the greatest and most potent demonstrations of Force ability in the mythos.Aside from the respect in which it leaves physical and man made structures intact.
Their is not a single depiction of Darth Nihilus atomizing a life form. Not a single.Do you know what an appeal to ignorance is? Its treating an absence of evidence as evidence of absence. But a lack of evidence is not evidence. There is not a single depiction of Nihilus effecting a life form full stop, so why are you assuming the effects?
You need to prove that his Force Drain powers are potent enough to atomize living beings, since this was your proposition. Do your best.No it wasn't. You were the one who made the claim that Nihilus didn't atomise living beings, you need to prove it.
Unlike you I am making no assumptions on the subject, including that one. My basis for Nihilus superiority is grounded in other and actual proof.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDarth Jadus have comparable showing, a feat of pure raw power.
Darth Jadus uses the Force to hold a 600 meter Harrower-class Dreadnought together, despite military reports stating that the vessel had been completely destroyed:
"All military channels are reporting in. The Dominator has been completely destroyed."
- Watcher Two (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
"Nothing could have survived that explosion. All sources confirm. Casualties are one hundred percent."
- Watcher Two (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
"The shvash gas incinerated only part of the ship. My power held together the remains."
- Darth Jadus (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
You get these from my respect thread?