Tbh, I'm not sure why all this matters each and every time. Everyone just posts the same shit, debating goes nowhere and that's it.
So...really, just stop? There's no point in having this go on when nothing ever gets accomplished, that and does this really matter?...
This is quite possibly the biggest thing that is ever argued about in the SWU I can see that. But since people don't wanna agree or come to the realization compared to other things discussed in the lore, then I'm not seeing what the point is in even discussing/debating this.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Tbh, I'm not sure why all this matters each and every time. Everyone just posts the same shit, debating goes nowhere and that's it.So...really, just stop? There's no point in having this go on when nothing ever gets accomplished, that and does this really matter?...
This is quite possibly the biggest thing that is ever argued about in the SWU I can see that. But since people don't wanna agree or come to the realization compared to other things discussed in the lore, then I'm not seeing what the point is in even discussing/debating this.
As a "neutral" party, what do you think?
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Tbh, I'm not sure why all this matters each and every time. Everyone just posts the same shit, debating goes nowhere and that's it.So...really, just stop? There's no point in having this go on when nothing ever gets accomplished, that and does this really matter?...
This is quite possibly the biggest thing that is ever argued about in the SWU I can see that. But since people don't wanna agree or come to the realization compared to other things discussed in the lore, then I'm not seeing what the point is in even discussing/debating this.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
As a "neutral" party, what do you think?
What I think?
What I think is...I don't care...ok so Darth such and such is my fav character and yet he isn't the strongest Sith.
Am I suppose to care?...The character is still there, they still have their accomplishments, their skill, etc and so on.
Should I care that they aren't the most powerful? Because I don't.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Not that I'm doubting you but where?
"It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater then that of anyone else she had ever met."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Revan had grown "far more powerful" since the Battle of Malachor V according to canon, which means then that Revan is logically "far more powerful" than any member of the Sith Triumvirate and Meetra Surik during his Revan Reborn incarnation in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan:
"Revan had grown since then. He was far more powerful now.."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's not the case though. If it was all about Plagueis, wouldn't have it ended when he died? If it was all about Mortis, wouldn't that have ended upon the Father's death? It ended with Sidious. If you reject S66's explanation, I'm inviting you to provide your own. Because it's pretty obvious that something is special about ol Sheev.
Freshest, my sweet, answer me.
That's a display of raw power, tbh. Command of the Force =/= raw power, and I doubt Revan can TK fleets.
@Tempest
I never said it was all about Plagueis. I said Anakin wasn't born specifically to deal with what Palpatine was doing to the Force, but more to do with what both he and Plagueis did, and what he maintained, which Neph touched on. I also said that Anakin wasn't born to deal with Palpatine's superior power, which is the point of bringing that up in the first place, apparently. As to Anakin's "special destiny" ending, I don't know. The Son still showed him becoming Vader, but somehow neglected seeing himself being stabbed by Anakin shortly afte. I've always been of the mind that "restoring Balance," was more about a galactic reset, and never saw him being on Mortis standing in the way of that. But that's way too far in the territory of speculation for me to feel comfortable with.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's a display of raw power, tbh. Command of the Force =/= raw power, and I doubt Revan can TK fleets.@Tempest
I never said it was all about Plagueis. I said Anakin wasn't born specifically to deal with what Palpatine was doing to the Force, but more to do with what both he and Plagueis did, and what he maintained, which Neph touched on. I also said that Anakin wasn't born to deal with Palpatine's superior power, which is the point of bringing that up in the first place, apparently. As to Anakin's "special destiny" ending, I don't know. The Son still showed him becoming Vader, but somehow neglected seeing himself being stabbed by Anakin shortly afte. I've always been of the mind that "restoring Balance," was more about a galactic reset, and never saw him being on Mortis standing in the way of that. But that's way too far in the territory of speculation for me to feel comfortable with.
Just some quick thoughts before I go to bed:
Sidious experiences an intensification upon Plagueis's death. In the ROTS novelization, Mace Windu observes that the cloud upon the Force strangling Jedi perception continues to swell with each passing day and Obi-Wan detects that Count Dooku's death did nothing to halt or diminish it. On Mortis, the dying Father says that Anakin has brought balance to the world and that Anakin will eventually do it again for the rest of the universe.
The only time the dark side ever "halts" in all this is when Anakin kills Sheev at Endor. And it's important to note that the imbalance is never observed at any point prior to Darth Sidious.
I believe S66's point is that Sidious is the more cosmically malevolent figure than Vitiate and that Anakin was conceived to take him out. In a sense, he's right: Plagueis's death cosmically accomplishes absolutely nothing. Nor does the death of Dooku, another extremely powerful Sith. In fact, all that time, the dark side continues to swell. The only time it stops is when Sidious himself is killed.
Now I'm not saying it's necessarily indicative of Sidious's "raw power" either. But he is right in that ultimately, it was more about Sidious than any other figure. Whether that has to do with raw power or Sidious's manipulations or all the above, I'm not sure. But to pretend Sidious is just another cog in the machine is factually untrue. He's vastly more important than even Plagueis tbh. 👆
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's a display of raw power, tbh. Command of the Force =/= raw power, and I doubt Revan can TK fleets.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/command
1
: to direct authoritatively : order
2
: to exercise a dominating influence over : have command of: as
a : to have at one's immediate disposal <commands many resources>
b : to demand or receive as one's due <commands a high fee>
c : to overlook or dominate from or as if from a strategic position <a hill that commands the city>
d : to have military command of as senior officer <command a regiment>
3
obsolete : to order or request to be given
intransitive verb
1
: to have or exercise direct authority : govern
2
: to give orders
3
: to be commander
4
: to dominate as if from an elevated place
The point being?
Having "command" means you can tell it to do a given action
For one to possess the greatest "command"?
They'd need to be capable of telling what they have influence over to do greater actions than any below them
Ergo?
Raw power isn't the only aspect, but its a pretty damn integral part of the definition.
Don't care if you take the statement at face value, but to deny Raw Power has nothing to do with the "greatest" command is kind of silly.