Most powerful Sith? Spring 2015 ed.

Originally posted by Darth Luminous
I'm not sure that's what Luceno was trying to get across. Apparently Tenebrous' master did something to the Force which helped facilitate the later shenanigans.

I think we need to remember that the Force strives for balance, so while the balance can be tipped, the Force will always try and tip it back, individuals strong in the dark side are needed to stop that from happening. Indeed that is why the Chosen One was created, to eliminate them.

Or rather Palpatine, as Palpatine rendered Plagueis obsolete in sustaining the imbalance.

Originally posted by Trocity
Vitiate have been hyped in encyclopedic mediums and Bioware themselves as god-like being, with supreme command of the Dark Side.

Please tell me when any other Sith Lord have immeasurable power, backed up by accolades/hype and various other ground realities.

Originally posted by Trocity
Vitiate have been hyped in encyclopedic mediums and Bioware themselves as god-like being, with supreme command of the Dark Side.

Please tell me when any other Sith Lord have immeasurable power, backed up by accolades/hype and various other ground realities.

Kinda my thing, but it was well executed...

Freshest can continue to argue "theories," but the fact of the matter is, Anakin's destiny was to destroy Palpatine (New Essential Guide). In doing so it cut him off his sovereignty over the force, something, yes, him and Plagueis started together, with Palpatine apparently being the true sovereign, as indicated in the fact that he was the forces direct target for elimination, with Plagueis's death meaning very little to the force as a whole, and from there Palpatine's hold and influence over the force only tightened until his death cut him off and put the force back in balance. How is that *not* an indication of Sidious's power?

Does this manifest in a vs scenario? Yoda vs Sidious, for example. The thing is though, neither is Vitiate's new feat, since it can't be done right away (not that anyone can prove; and not by what it's shown). But I didn't know this was just about combat feats. Evidently, you don't feel that way either, Freshest, so why are you getting all in your feelings by my proving of Sidious being Vitiate's superior in literally every area, from their respective combat showing to their overall threat to the force and the galaxy (yes, Sidious was a greater threat to the force, hence Anakin's destiny, and there being no other creation like him)?

It's nice to have our theories and our dislikes, but that's where fanfics come in: mainly because of likes and dislikes on the lore, which is interesting to see how others think things should go, but not for here.

If no one can give me anything other than "well, uh, Plagueis helped," I rest my case on the subject (if it hasn't already been). Vitiate is requiring help as his story is proceeding, so enough with the desperation. Palpatine is his clear superior.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Powerscaling is foreign as a concept to most Star Wars fans I've observed that don't debate outside of specialty boards like this :hmm

Perfect example like this?

Yamcha in DB has ass for feats

We're given an in story read of his power level from Android 20 later in the story that states his power level rivals Goku's from back in his fight from Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc. Kind of a given due to the fact Gero confused Yamcha for Goku

That said?

If that's the position you community holds? Fair enough to me.

This pretty much sums up some of the arguments found on here.

Top 5 sith or just the one. With all in their primes sidious takes this.

Top 5.

1. DE Sidious
2. Darth Caedus
3. Vitiate
4. Dooku
5. Plaguis

Mmmmmmmm, switch Caedus around with Vitiate and have Plagueis above him. Dooku shouldn't be in top 5, I have a hard time thinking he makes top 10. Top 20 he should be in though.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Mmmmmmmm, switch Caedus around with Vitiate and have Plagueis above him. Dooku shouldn't be in top 5, I have a hard time thinking he makes top 10. Top 20 he should be in though.

I believe Caedus is fine where he is and so is vitiate and Plaguis should definitely be below Caedus. Dooku is very powerful and I believe deserves to be on this list however this is just my opinion

[QUOTE=15207815]Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
[B]Top 5 sith or just the one. With all in their primes sidious takes this.

Top 10.

1. DE Sidious
2. Darth Caedus
3. Vitiate
4. Vader
5. Darth Plaguis
6. Dooku
7. Darth Revan
8. Exar Kun
9. Darth Krayt
10. Darth Bane

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Top 5 sith or just the one. With all in their primes sidious takes this.

Top 5.

1. DE Sidious
2. Darth Caedus
3. Vitiate
4. Dooku
5. Plaguis

Vitiate > Caedus and Plagueis > Dooku. This is quite obvious.

Kun, Vader, Bane, Krayt, Malgus are also superior to Dooku imo. An argument can be made for Nox, Wrath II and Freedon Nadd as well.

Nihilus, Jadus, Kreia and Hord are most likely his superiors as well but they're too unknown or weird to place.

Everyone you listed is honestly better than Bane

Jadus is not superior to Dooku.

Originally posted by carthage
Everyone you listed is honestly better than Bane

I knew you'd say that. I won't defend him since I haven't read the Bane trilogy(and don't really have any interest in that era) and I'm not patient/mad enough to challenge KMC's current view on the character.

I place him in my top 10 based on his feats though I'm open to change my opinion if you present a decent argument.

Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate > Caedus and Plagueis > Dooku. This is quite obvious.

Kun, Vader, Bane, Krayt, Malgus are also superior to Dooku imo. An argument can be made for Nox, Wrath II and Freedon Nadd as well.

Nihilus, Jadus, Kreia and Hord are most likely his superiors as well but they're too unknown or weird to place.

I can see both points of views. I put Dooku below Plaguis in my reformed list as well as Vader, however Kun, malgus, bane, Krayt are all below Dooku however not by a mile. I think I will keep Caedus where he is but I understand if someone says he is #3 or below vitiate.

Kun, Malgus, Krayt are all below Dooku

I'd contest that, tbh.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Jadus is not superior to Dooku.

He is if you take his "2nd only to the Emperor" quote seriously. If not, teleporting faster than a blaster bolt and simultaneously force choking someone is still pretty badass. Other than that, he doesn't really have any combat applicable feats so I agree it might be unfair to Count Dooku to have someone so unknown placed above him. That's why I never add him to my Top 10 lists.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'd contest that, tbh.

I can understand Kun being debatable but malgus I don't see it however I don't know much about him so I don't really judge hi. To harshly. I just go with Dooku being better because look at his feats in the movies and clone wars. So Kun I could understand however I'd still say Dooku is superior but malgus is below him from my little experience 😂

Kun, Malgus, Plagueis, Krayt, and Nox exceed Dooku in power to varying degrees. In terms of Lightsaber skill he'd ranked higher than them though, be as Sith they exceed him in power.

Bane is lesser than all off them

The Majority of the Sith in TOR don't really have feats that put him above Dooku. And Jadus's best feat was being able to survive the destruction of part his ship while holding some chunks of it together. Dooku's mostly powerscaling but going by powerscaling he's stronger than guys like Padawan Anakin who moved an entire starship at speeds fast enough to intercept missiles going at hypersonic speeds.

Originally posted by The Merchant
The Majority of the Sith in TOR don't really have feats that put him above Dooku. And Jadus's best feat was being able to survive the destruction of part his ship while holding some chunks of it together. Dooku's mostly powerscaling but going by powerscaling he's stronger than guys like Padawan Anakin who moved an entire starship at speeds fast enough to intercept missiles going at hypersonic speeds.

I think his teleportation is more impressive. Especially cause it was done as a reaction to a blaster bolt and he used another force attack at the same time.

Jadus' mere presence harming his surroundings and his survival of the destruction of his ship with TK suggest how powerful he is in the force. He has an accolade to support that and his performance against IA's companion tells us how capable he is in combat. The only thing missing is him defeating another force user which is a big deal. But even without that, an argument can be made for him.

Originally posted by The Merchant
The Majority of the Sith in TOR don't really have feats that put him above Dooku. And Jadus's best feat was being able to survive the destruction of part his ship while holding some chunks of it together. Dooku's mostly powerscaling but going by powerscaling he's stronger than guys like Padawan Anakin who moved an entire starship at speeds fast enough to intercept missiles going at hypersonic speeds.

However, official trailers reveal Count Dooku level competency being norm in this era. So?