Emperor Vitiate Respect Thread revised and expanded:-
The Original Respect Thread: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/emperor-vitiate-respect-thread/97466/
Power Progression and Evolution: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/power-progression-and-evolution-of-emperor-vitiate/105016/
Cataclysm on planet Ziost: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cataclysm-at-planet-ziost/105050/
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66👆
Freshest can continue to argue "theories," but the fact of the matter is, Anakin's destiny was to destroy Palpatine (New Essential Guide). In doing so it cut him off his sovereignty over the force, something, yes, him and Plagueis started together, with Palpatine apparently being the true sovereign, as indicated in the fact that he was the forces direct target for elimination, with Plagueis's death meaning very little to the force as a whole, and from there Palpatine's hold and influence over the force only tightened until his death cut him off and put the force back in balance. How is that *not* an indication of Sidious's power?Does this manifest in a vs scenario? Yoda vs Sidious, for example. The thing is though, neither is Vitiate's new feat, since it can't be done right away (not that anyone can prove; and not by what it's shown). But I didn't know this was just about combat feats. Evidently, you don't feel that way either, Freshest, so why are you getting all in your feelings by my proving of Sidious being Vitiate's superior in literally every area, from their respective combat showing to their overall threat to the force and the galaxy (yes, Sidious was a greater threat to the force, hence Anakin's destiny, and there being no other creation like him)?
It's nice to have our theories and our dislikes, but that's where fanfics come in: mainly because of likes and dislikes on the lore, which is interesting to see how others think things should go, but not for here.
If no one can give me anything other than "well, uh, Plagueis helped," I rest my case on the subject (if it hasn't already been). Vitiate is requiring help as his story is proceeding, so enough with the desperation. Palpatine is his clear superior.
Originally posted by The MerchantJadus also dominated the minds of the thousand passengers aboard his ship, and his very presence caused sufferring and corruption to those around him. I suggest you check out his respect thread, he is certainly above Dooku:
The Majority of the Sith in TOR don't really have feats that put him above Dooku. And Jadus's best feat was being able to survive the destruction of part his ship while holding some chunks of it together. Dooku's mostly powerscaling but going by powerscaling he's stronger than guys like Padawan Anakin who moved an entire starship at speeds fast enough to intercept missiles going at hypersonic speeds.
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/aurbere/blog/darth-jadus-respect-thread/103709/
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And it's important to note that the imbalance is never observed at any point prior to Darth Sidious.
That we know of.
Labyrinth of Evil had claimed that the power of the dark side had already been growing for two hundred years prior to the coming of Sidious ( though it's possible the content of Darth Plagueis represents Luceno revising this timeline ).
Originally posted by Nephthys😬
coughCaedusisn'tarealSithcough
He was chosen and apprenticed under Lumiya to be the next Sith Lord, herself a Dark Lady of the Sith over her own Sith order, which was effectively a reincarnation and continuation of the Rule of Two.
He's called Darth Caedus for a reason...
Originally posted by Beniboybling
😬He was chosen and apprenticed under Lumiya to be the next Sith Lord, herself a Dark Lady of the Sith over her own Sith order, which was effectively a reincarnation and continuation of the Rule of Two.
He's called Darth Caedus for a reason...
Lol, Lumiya.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The true Sith would have died off with Vitiate, though I consider the Dark Jedi factions (Revan and Kun) to also be "real Sith" - same for the Rule of Two since they adopted Revan's philosophy.
Revan and Kun are real Sith, yeah. They were anointed Sith by big name Dark Lords and had tons of darkside lore and stuff. Bane was also therefore a real Sith because he learned from Revan's holocron and others plus I think the Brotherhood was pretty legit in general.
Originally posted by NephthysShe studied and followed Sith philosophy, that makes her Sith.
Lumiya isn't a Sith. She's like Ventress 2.0 and as far as I know she didn't even teach Jacen anything so he was hardly apprenticed by her. He's got pretty much no Sith cred at all.Also two people not on the list:
Lumiya
Savage Opress😛
If you have a source that states otherwise, other than the arbitrary nonsense your spouting, please enlighten us tbh.
P.S. Savage was made a Sith Lord by his brother and identified himself as Sith, but to be quite honest titles and status among the Sith are arbitrary and fluctuate with each iteration, but they are all part of the Sith Order by merit of following the religion and philosophy.
Originally posted by NephthysVitiate wasn't recognised by those big name Dark Lords, so I guess he's not a Sith either.
Revan and Kun are real Sith, yeah. They were anointed Sith by big name Dark Lords and had tons of darkside lore and stuff. Bane was also therefore a real Sith because he learned from Revan's holocron and others plus I think the Brotherhood was pretty legit in general.
And by extension all the "Sith" under him are all pretenders. Right?
Originally posted by Sinious
Vitiate > Caedus and Plagueis > Dooku. This is quite obvious.Kun, Vader, Bane, Krayt, Malgus are also superior to Dooku imo. An argument can be made for Nox, Wrath II and Freedon Nadd as well.
Nihilus, Jadus, Kreia and Hord are most likely his superiors as well but they're too unknown or weird to place.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Caedus definitly beats vitiate.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
IMO Dooku is better than malgus and Krayt in the force.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Vader is above him while I would say Dooku could ward off kuns illusions and bane is inferior to Dooku IMO
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Based on?You know anything about these two?
Exar Kun and Darth Bane are also more powerful then Count Dooku.
Of course me saying that one is totally more powerful than the other is stupid as both are incredibly powerful, however I stay true to the opinion that Caeuds is better than vitiate, however by a small amount.
Kun, I know he was one of not the most powerful sith sorcerers of all time with people like vitiate and zannah being those who put him down a notch, but Dooku is a strong willed individual so I don't think kuns Magic is going to be a game winner for him, however his powers with his amulet are not to be under estimated. Krayt wasn't he stalemated by Cade skywalker or beaten in the force or was krayt the superior, I know Krayt was able to stalemate Warlock, someone I believe to definitly be below Dooku so that's why I'd say Krayt is below Dooku. However I don't know as much as you most likely in terms of those two characters.
Kun possible, Bane I don't think so.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of course me saying that one is totally more powerful than the other is stupid as both are incredibly powerful, however I stay true to the opinion that Caeuds is better than vitiate, however by a small amount.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Kun, I know he was one of not the most powerful sith sorcerers of all time with people like vitiate and zannah being those who put him down a notch, but Dooku is a strong willed individual so I don't think kuns Magic is going to be a game winner for him, however his powers with his amulet are not to be under estimated.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Krayt wasn't he stalemated by Cade skywalker or beaten in the force or was krayt the superior, I know Krayt was able to stalemate Warlock, someone I believe to definitly be below Dooku so that's why I'd say Krayt is below Dooku. However I don't know as much as you most likely in terms of those two characters.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Kun possible, Bane I don't think so.