Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZhmm my RL maybe 🙂
RL > Sheev and Valkorion combined 🙂
Originally posted by The_Tempest Plagueis is meh.Plagueis is my fave SW novel atm. I think Luceno did a great job. What about it makes you say that other than Dark Rendezvous being better?
Sithisis is creepy.It's trippy in a good way before watching ROTS if you're not sober.
ROTS is goodI enjoy watching ROTS more than even ESB tbh
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The codex calls him Sith.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
As for why Beni brought him up, presumably it had to do with Sheev threatening to consume all of space, which is exponentially greater than what Valk is capable of.Just a guess, anyway.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lmao, I'm saying there is a difference between draining the Force from a planet's biota and "busting" or rather destroying it. 👆Because comparing DE Palpatine to Vitiate is just cruel. 🙂
Also, you tend to downplay Valkorion's signature power. It not just consumed all biota but also ravaged the environment of the planet at large.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
But I'm happy to discuss how Vitiate doesn't having anything that remotely compares to Force storms and busting the Imperial Palace.
Moreover, Valkorion's signature power have on-screen 'planet-killing' validity. Not just a claim.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Considering he grounded Luke with one bolt, whereas Vitiate did what he did to a defenseless Revan with storm of 12, I would disagree.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
DE Luke being frankly superior to Revan at that point. 🙂
No.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite. He had no lightsaber, erected no Force barrier and utterly failed to apply tutanimis. It's little wonder he went down so quickly.
Revan successfully applied Tutaminis but the Force Storm proved to be too much to handle. If it weren't for his formidable defenses, Revan would have been nearly atomized.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZWell that's what you are failing to understand, he tried to use tutanimis, yes, but he never actually able to apply it:
He still clearly had a defense with tutaminis. The same tutaminis that easily redirected Nyriss's own incredibly powerful lightning. It's like saying Arcann was defenseless against Valkorion because he erected a barrier to try to block it, lmfao.
The Old Republic: RevanRevan tried and failed to catch the bolts, so he wasn't even able to attempt to absorb the energy, ergo he was defenseless, the lighting struck him head on.Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn't close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault, he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor's attack.
A dozen bolts of purple lightning arced from the Emperor toward him. Revan tried to draw them in and contain them, but the Emperor was infinitely more powerful than Darth Nyriss had ever been.
Revan's body was engulfed in agony as the electricity coursed through his body. His skin began to boil and blister, the flesh of his face melting and sticking to the superheated metal of his mask as the Emperor poured more and more power into him.
Certainly it's a testament to Vitiate's ability that Revan was unable to do so, but he didn't blow through Revan's defenses, he circumvented them with too wide net for his opponent to contain.
I mean do you really think Revan would have been so easily felled if the lighting had been directed into Revan's waiting palms? Naw.
Maybe his most powerful expressions of lightning are just...expressed differently. Sidious's most powerful lightning was still just a stream. Hell, Valkorion's varies.Lel, precisely. Its a pointless display of grandeur, he's just overcompensating for his small penis. 🙂
Anyway this is totally besides the point. I wasn't even referring to Valk. My point was that Vitiate's "swirling storm of pure dark side energy" achieved by a gathering of power is not comparable to a blast of lightning instantly affected, the former is obviously of far greater intensity.
Vitiate's bolts of lightning on the other hand couldn't even disarm Revan, let alone ground him.
Is there any evidence that Luke's defensive capabilities with the force rival Revan's? I'd take Revan's pre peak SF feat and his feat against Nyriss over those.Seeing as he failed to apply a proper defense, I don't see that as being relevant.
On the other hand Luke should have logically surpassed Vader by DE. So I'd put him a peg above Revan as of the novel.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDOK, so what if that were the case? Metaphor implies resemblance, so if destructive range of Palpatine's Force Storm resembles "all of space", that at the very least suggests the obliteration of everything in the immediate vicinity. Including the planet, if not the system.
Its a metaphoric statement.Force Storm could never consume all of space, period.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDCool. Nonetheless the planet remained intact did it not? That doesn't make equal to the total planetary destruction a Force storm could affect.
Busting might not be the appropriate word but Valkorion literally killed a world.Also, you tend to downplay Valkorion's signature power. It not just consumed all biota but also ravaged the environment of the planet at large.
Lesser Force-users could collapse buildings but Valkorion couldn't? Power-scaling, my friend.That would be nyice if said building weren't two kilometers tall, and 3 square kilometers in area. 👆
Moreover, Valkorion's signature power have on-screen 'planet-killing' validity. Not just a claim.Then I guess Valkorion can be stopped by conventional means right?
Revan's defenses are extremely formidable and difficult to breach.See above.
😂Yesh. 🙂No.
As if a Lightsaber could make any difference? Revan clearly "calculated his options" to counter the incoming Valkorion's Force Storm.Nope, Revan's application of tutanimis was unsuccessful. And lmao at Vitiate being capable of atomising him.Revan successfully applied Tutaminis but the Force Storm proved to be too much to handle. If it weren't for his formidable defenses, Revan would have been nearly atomized.
Originally posted by The_TempestExcellent read, will finish. 🙂
It's described in an article written by Publius, perhaps the greatest of all Sheevites.Read "The Apotheosis of Palpatine."
Beni, you're being a moron. Nyriss' lightning was able to instantly turn her to ash even after breaking through her barrier and Vitiates lightning was "infinitely more powerful." Of course Revan would have been almost atomised if he'd truly been defenseless. Of course he was successful in trying to absorb and blunt some of the energy. ****in' duh.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Don't know if I could follow such obvious stupid evil. Fell apart just because of a simple flesh wound.
Definitely not his finest hour.
But when you look at his illustrious career holistically, it's pretty darn impressive. Ruling the galaxy for 20+ years, orchestrating the biggest war in galactic history, destroying the Jedi and the Republic. Hell, even Dark Empire itself: retaking the galaxy and being capable of consuming all of space with an easily-summoned Force storm?
That's big shit there. Especially since he did all of that in a standard human lifetime and didn't need 8,000 Sith Lords.
Originally posted by FreshestStrap
You say this, but I would prefer a liege lord who can stay calm under pressure, and I'm not sure Palpatine can be that ruler if he can't deal with one angsty Skywalker.
Two angsty Skywalkers. stoned
That's a lot of angst to deal with. uhuh
So what stage of grief are you in over the Comics Companion quote, Fresh?
Tell me it's anger. I love that one. excellent