Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Exactly, the Movie never explained what the Obedience Disk was! It seemed like electricity.According to SilentMaster's and Frothbite's rule, Feats>>>>>>>>Opinions.
See your own stupidity be used against you Silent.
So you believe that electricity turns people's veins blue, prove it.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Again, there is no way to predict with certainty what would have happened. It's why it's called a Cliffhanger.Hulk could have as well stood up another hit!
Or Hulk could have as well managed to hit Thor again!
No, it's called GM interfering in order to save the Hulk.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It's clearly shown as Electricity! Per movie feats it is electricity, now if you have an article proving otherwise that's a different thing.So what was it then? Venom?
Still makes no matter, it shows that Thor isn't that immune even in his God Form.
Prove that electricity turns veins blue as that is what the OB was shown to do.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hulk needed no saving. A valid argument.
Yes, he did.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Well, Super Saiyan Thor was about to continue the one-sided beatdown he was already delivering if Jeff Goldblum wouldn't have shocked him. That was obvious. I know the comic book trope is always have some kind of outside interference that unites the two heroes fighting to band together to achieve a common goal, and I know that was where the plot was going. MCU wasn't going to have Thor kill Hulk. It's plain as day that Thor wins from the most current thundered out version that fought Hulk in the arena, which is the version of Thor here by default as it's the most recent movie version.By "strongest there is", I mean who wins a fight between the two, not "strongest there is" in terms of who can lift more than the other. In the movies, they compete with one another by beating each other up and such, not lifting weights.
Super Saiyan Thor is pretty cool but the Hulk is unkillable and is the ultimate Darwin response. That's the whole point of the dynamic strength and durability he possesses and why he is so eager to take on a Fenris or Surtur becuase he feels himself get stronger and feeds off of it.
It would have been the same in his fight with Thor and its why god and mortal have these epic fights.
Since the screenwriter weighed in that a conclusion was ambiguous and would only contine the debate, it only validates someone who holds the opinion, the GM was not leave anything to chance. Chance, the fight going in either direction is how these titanic battles are always the norm with these two.
Thor is awesome, he speed and reflexes had the Hulk missing almost every blow. Where he really got caught when he thought he could take the Hulk out and the Hulk simply caught his running hammer shot with one hand and stopped in its tracks and the shock allowed the Hulk to blast him across the Arena and start a brutal attack.
There is nothing to say that Thor wouldn't get caught by the Hulk again. Nor is there anything to indicate the Hulk wouldn't keep shrugging off Thor's storm powered attacks.
We got a fight that was stopped short and Hulk fans are going to see it one way and Thor another just like it was intended to do. One side of the debate has about as much chance of convincing the other that the sun rises in the West.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Per Screen Feats that seemed like electricity! Unless you have a valid argument that opposes such a feat then it remains so.As per why Thor's veins turned blue i don't know! Maybe that's how Asgardians react to being shocked!!!! 😂
Prove that electricity turns veins blue as that is what the OB was shown to do.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
Super Saiyan Thor is pretty cool but the Hulk is unkillable and is the ultimate Darwin response. That's the whole point of the dynamic strength and durability he possesses and why he is so eager to take on a Fenris or Surtur becuase he feels himself get stronger and feeds off of it.It would have been the same in his fight with Thor and its why god and mortal have these epic fights.
Since the screenwriter weighed in that a conclusion was ambiguous and would only contine the debate, it only validates someone who holds the opinion, the GM was not leave anything to chance. Chance, the fight going in either direction is how these titanic battles are always the norm with these two.
Thor is awesome, he speed and reflexes had the Hulk missing almost every blow. Where he really got caught when he thought he could take the Hulk out and the Hulk simply caught his running hammer shot with one hand and stopped in its tracks and the shock allowed the Hulk to blast him across the Arena and start a brutal attack.
There is nothing to say that Thor wouldn't get caught by the Hulk again. Nor is there anything to indicate the Hulk wouldn't keep shrugging off Thor's storm powered attacks.
We got a fight that was stopped short and Hulk fans are going to see it one way and Thor another just like it was intended to do. One side of the debate has about as much chance of convincing the other that the sun rises in the West.
I gotcha on the conceptual side of things, sir. That's always how it's been with a Hulk vs. Thor match-up: get the fanboys stirred in real life and get the heroes united to fight a common enemy on the comic book page.
I'm just saying by FEATS as presented in T:R, Thor is the big kid on the block in Avengers-ville now.
I will agree with you on this as well: one side won't convince the other. Thankfully, the sun will still come out tomorrow and we can all post on here whilst drinking coffee.
Originally posted by GreenGoliath
Thor was not fine, in fact if his father had not reached him in his vision the fight would have been over right there. He was injured from the fight and the Hulk was not. He may have been affected from the lightning punches be he got right up, just as he did when Surtur slung him across half of Asgard. He was ready and wanted to go right back at Surtur. It's one of the benefits of knowing you are just going to get stronger every minute.Since those two punches only were the last 30 seconds of a fight that was only a few minutes in length, it doesn't leave any conclusions. You don't have to take my opinion, the writer himself said it was left ambiguous by design and this fight would not answer the question of who would win.
All Odin did was allow Thor to unlock his full power. Are you telling me you don't think Hulk can stand up to a fully powered Thor?
Hulk was pounding away on Thor's face for a good number of seconds and Thor didn't so much as suffer a cut lip or broken nose.
At the end of this fight, we know that Thor can tank way more of Hulk's full blows than the other way around. And this was only in fisticuffs, Thor wasn't even blasting Hulk with lightning yet.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
I gotcha on the conceptual side of things, sir. That's always how it's been with a Hulk vs. Thor match-up: get the fanboys stirred in real life and get the heroes united to fight a common enemy on the comic book page.I'm just saying by FEATS as presented in T:R, Thor is the big kid on the block in Avengers-ville now.
I will agree with you on this as well: one side won't convince the other. Thankfully, the sun will still come out tomorrow and we can all post on here whilst drinking coffee.
Even by feats in T:R, I would argue the Hulk catching a wind up shot from Thor with one hand and eliciting the same oh crap look Tony had in AoU was the coolest thing in the fight. In the movie, I would say it was the Hulk taking on Ragnarok Surtur and as an engine of strength and destruction, the Hulk is still tops in Avengers-ville.
When they were having their argument and Hulk thru the shield, Thor had a oh crap look thinking it could have killed him. He said as much to the Hulk. That's the Hulk though, he is dangerous just by his existence and interacting with the physical world. The Hulk can't die that way through physical harm, heck Banner can't even die because of what lives in him.
If you are talking overall power and leadership, I would agree and say Thor.
As a H-H combatant he is tops. Along with his strength. immortality, durability, speed, reflexes, agility, and god powers, he has supperior H2H combat skills than even Captain America. That is an insane combination but the Hulk's physics defying stregth and physical Darwinian survival attributes, i.e. dynamic healing and durability he can stand in as an equal in one on one combat with Thor. Potentially the combat could go on and on with no end in sight.
You can't do that in a movie, or even a comic thus some event always stops the fight as happened here and not because one or the other was destined to win.
It was a Thor movie, so he obviously had more screen time but if you look at the Hulk feats in T:R, they were mean't to illicit the same "holy $hi#" momments scattered so through many of his comics.
So on one hand I agree with you on Thor but it depends on the scenarrio. If you want power and control, it's Thor. If you want shock and awe destruction it would be the Hulk.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Hulk didn't really seem impressive to me in this film, they definitely implied Thor>Hulk imo.
You say that but it's probably because of a bias since the guy who wrote the scene says he intended to imply that both sides would have arguing points. And that's okay, as it seems to be the intent of the film makers.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Surtur swatted Hulk like a bug and god-mode Thor was clearly shown as above the Hulk.
Yes after he showed just as much ability to impack Surtur as Hela did and the Hulk was unhurt and ready to go at Surtur again and was upset that he wasn't being allowed too.
As to the latter, god-mode Thor was shown to be able affect the Hulk. That would only diminish over time and god-mode Thor's attacks were still fought off by Hela. He wasn't invinicible and the Hulk would have gotten his shots in had the fight continued. The cool thing is the Hulk's blows only get stronger over time but I do believe Thor has a deeper well of power to draw upon as well. I think we would have seen that too.
So, god-mode Thor was incredible but we saw the first few minutes of what was going to be a long fight. Again, it's what I saw but at least I can back it up and say the scene was wrtitten that way.