Caine Wise (Jupiter Ascending) vs. Darth Vader (ROTJ)

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So according to you wizards being scared of being killed if they were detected by humans and WoG saying a schmuck with a shotgun can defeat any wizard don't count

Nice double standards 👆

Well if Hondo can capture Jedi he's just that damn awesome 👆

So he took on some Redshirts and had cover and shit, yeah, that's totally something a Jedi couldn't replicate 🙄

It's not like Khan stood in an empty battleground in the middle of every enemy and stomped them while tanking their fire

You're going to have to be far more definitve than that

They were surrounded by blasters, at least in Dooku's case

So say nothing of the fact that this is the same series where you have Plo Koon moving a space pod with his telekinesis, Darth Maul moving a spaceship, Ashoka and some younglings collapsing a cliff-face

Or even in the movies where Obi-Wan and Yoda take on multiple squads of Clone Troopers outside the Temple, or Anakin and Obi-Wan taking on entire squads of Droids, etc

And as has been said to you several times throughout the MvF, Anakin lost solely due to CIS on his part, been there done that moving on

You haven't countered anything. You have simply stonewalled, ignored evidence, resorted to pedantiscm and nitpicked low end showings

Nice try, but it doesn't override actual feats

Good for Dooku, not sure what your argument was supposed to be though, retard

Vader force crushed an AT-AT, he can force crush Caine, unless you can show me a feat that suggests Caine can survive force enough to crush heavy durasteel machinery

#feats #can'tbedenied

No, it's the Jedi are overrated. Force powers meant shit there to non force users just like I said. 😂

Khan stood right out in the open. He was easily seen and not hiding in cover. He wrecked shop. He took down a Klingon airship or two as well as their reinforcements. Hondo and some dipshit pirates held three force users hostage. 😂

Watch the film. 😂

Anakin is no Yoda. Anakin is some turd who was defeated by Obi. anakin was taken prisoner along with Dooku and Obi. Undeniable.m your feats aren't the same thing as beating live beings hence the reason Dooku was unable with help by his force powers to overtake Hondo. Canon. 😂

That is a fact. Your speculation is not. Anakin lost. Game over. Your tears are enjoyable.

What have I ignored ?

Someone easily beating Anakin because he's stupid and arrogant.

Vader has never force crushed a human being and has been captured without using his force powers to get him out of it. Evidence >>>>your imagination.

IOW: "Just because Darth Vader can crush metal it doesn't mean he can crush softer skin, sinew and muscle!"

You're so awful at this, quanchi112 😂 <--- at you right now

Originally posted by quanchi112
Butthurt wall of stonewalling, ABC logic and downplaying

Yeah, when you have the feats to suggest Caine can survive being crushed with enough force to crush an AT-AT, let me know

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: "Just because Darth Vader can crush metal it doesn't mean he can crush softer skin, sinew and muscle!"

You're so awful at this, quanchi112 😂 <--- at you right now

Fanfic all you want.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah, when you have the feats to suggest Caine can survive being crushed with enough force to crush an AT-AT, let me know

When Vader does that to a person let me know. He force chokes and that takes time. Caine kills him. Han even got shots off at him. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has never done so. Dooku has as well but he didn't do so when Hondo had him as his prisoner. 🙂

Fanfic all you want.

IOW: "Just because Yoda lifted an X-Wing, it doesn't mean he can lift a baseball, because he never lifted a baseball with the Force!"

Just awful at this 😂

"Just because he does it to a heavily armored vehicle that can tank heavy laser cannons, doesn't mean he can do it to a far less durable thing such a a human"

You're not even trying, you have no idea what you're talking about

Your post had no substance and nothing worth responding to, hence why I responded as I did

Well you know, ignoring the fact that Vader deflected Han's attacks but you know, downplayers gon' downplay

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: "Just because Yoda lifted an X-Wing, it doesn't mean he can lift a baseball, because he never lifted a baseball with the Force!"

Just awful at this 😂

By your own logic he can't lift a baseball because he never did specifically that. You can't have it both ways and make up special pleading as you go along

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"Just because he does it to a heavily armored vehicle that can tank heavy laser cannons, doesn't mean he can do it to a far less durable thing such a a human"

You're not even trying, you have no idea what you're talking about

Your post had no substance and nothing worth responding to, hence why I responded as I did

Well you know, ignoring the fact that Vader deflected Han's attacks but you know, downplayers gon' downplay

I argue based off facts you argue based off made up feats.

You conceded. Amazing.

He got hit. Caine finishes him with his superior firepower. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then provide proof of him doing so. If you can't then it isn't evidence it's a fanfic.

He force crushes an AT-AT, you're not doing anything other than stonewalling at this point

I argue based off facts you argue based off made up feats.

Crushing an AT-AT is not a made up feat

You conceded. Amazing.

There was no concession

He got hit. Caine finishes him with his superior firepower. 😂

Baseless assertion

You just argued that Vader can't do something unless specifically shown, regardless of greater feats. Now I have you backtracking. So easy to get you to turn on yourself. Disturbingly easy. You've lost and are broken, quanchi112.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
By your own logic he can't lift a baseball because he never did specifically that. You can't have it both ways and make up special pleading as you go along

Originally posted by Robtard
You just argued that Vader can't do something unless specifically shown, regardless of greater feats. Now I have you backtracking. So easy to get you to turn on yourself. Disturbingly easy. You've lost and are broken, quanchi112.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Different application of power. He can lift objects that weigh less but he can't tear apart a human since he's never done so. Quit making shit up.

"He crushed an AT-AT, but that doesn't mean he can crush a much less durable object like a human"

You're not even trying

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he couldn't pish something that weighs less than something he's force pushed. He can't tear people apart. That's not the same thing.

You said he couldn't use Force-crush on a body because he's never done so, regardless that he's crushed something more difficult (metal). You're desperately doing flips now and backtracking, it's hilarious. Too easy.

According to Quanchi human bodies are much more durable than AT-AT's. Wonder why AT-AT's were ever a threat in Star Wars now that Quanchi has enlightened us 🙄

Quan is arguing movie feats only which technically he is correct, its never happened on screen.

George has never been into gore, so that would be kinda out of the question unless its shown in new movies.

Sure if Vadar could crush and AT-AT the can crush a human.

Seems IMP needs to rule on this, cause no one is going to agree.

I thought shit like Clone Wars and Disney Canon shit was allowed in vs debates here?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"He crushed an AT-AT, but that doesn't mean he can crush a much less durable object like a human"

You're not even trying