Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If I was in a rush, I would have started it months ago.
You had this planned out months ago?
I'm off on Friday, but I'll have my nephew most of the day. I'll be home, though, and more free for more detailed responses.
And I was referring to time gaps between responses, not when you start.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
S66, I desperately want to see you make an argument that Revan is mentally weak. Plz share.
He has one of the strongest wills in the mythos, why would I argue otherwise. And why are you so desperate?
So far, even your friend states he has SOME of the best mental resistant feats. Not too clear, TBH. Unless the thumbs up means he agrees with your statement.
Mental resistance isn't the only way to establish one's willpower.
Ok, so none of them posted in agreement yet.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Of course what else would we expect from someone's who's picture is Lord Vitiate. Anyway his ranking is 100% correct. The Son is the most powerful Dark Side user ( using only the dark side ) than Sidious comes in 2nd and with this competition Vitiate would come in third per this competition, however you put all the Sith in this competiton he would be knocked down am few ranks of more.
The Ones are the most powerful Force-users in Canon continuity. However, Vitiate is not part of Canon continuity.
Vitiate is part of Legends continuity. The Ones are part of this continuity as well (Recognized as Celestials and/or The Architects). However, Vitiate is the most powerful Force-user per TOR sources, that also recognize the existence of Celestials and/or Architects.
Also, based on feats, Vitiate have proven to be as much of a threat as The Ones since he can single-handedly ravage planets and might be capable of consuming all life in the entire galaxy in time or so the Sith of his time assert. Conventional methods cannot stop him, so Sith are planning to utilize unconventional methods to undermine Vitiate.
Their is not a single Sith apart from Darths Sidious (DE) and Nihilus that holds a candle to Vitiate in power and Force ability.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan affected Vitiate more than vice-versa tbh, especially considering Vitiate had aid from the Dread Masters.Revan is greater at the Sense branch than Vitiate definitely, and Sidious is probably Revan's only rival tbh.
Vitiate broke Revan though, so....
He also (As you argued for before, actually) set the incident on Yavin IV up, so if he did that means he originally broke Revan in that way on purpose.
So I don't see why Revan somehow affected Vitiate more.
Except he didn't. Vitiate's goals for Revan were:
A.) Get information about the Republic from him.
B.) Turn Revan back to his servant as Darth Revan.
He failed both. In terms of getting information, the only known thing Vitiate and the Dread Masters were able to pry from Revan was simply the existence of the Foundry. They weren't even able to get a location. Darth Malgus, the Imperial player characters, and all Revan dialogue concerning the mental war point to Revan successfully resisting Vitiate's assaults. In comparison, Revan was able to literally influence Vitiate to end the Great Galactic War - the war that Vitiate had been planning for like what, a thousand plus years? And he did this without the Dread Masters or Vitiate even realizing he did it. In terms of the split between sor!Revan and spirit!Revan, that wasn't really Vitiate... both Revan's and the Imperial Strike Force on the Foundry had a far greater impact. Sure, Vitiate and the Dread Masters began the process, but it didn't happen until spirit!Revan willingly began to detach himself from his body during his imprisonment. This set the scene for only spirit!Revan dying on the Foundry, allowing sor!Revan to take full control over the Revan body and banish spirit!Revan from it. And then we have Vitiate's greatest failure - sor!Revan. Vitiate wanted a Darth Revan 2.0 that was loyal to him. Instead he got a guy that was everything but that. Revan headed to Yavin because he knew Vitiate was there - and believed he could beat him. It's not that Vitiate mind****ed Revan into going to Yavin or anything. And people say sor!Revan is crazy for trying to sacrifice Yavin or whatnot, but what Revan pulled during the Mandalorian Wars was honestly worse than even his stunt on the Foundry. It's not anything new that Revan is accepting mass sacrifices to do a greater plan. That's really what he is all about.