Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Once a saber is down, it's irrelevant. Period.EDIT: Unless you're trying to make a case for overpowering saber defenses, which Dooku has done better.
It smashed through his force barrier which is >> killing Kiffar warriors with no force defense to speak of and droids lol. Savage probably wouldn't have any issues blocking it though.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sinious, blitzing fodder sith troops isn't anymore impressive than blitzing magnaguards which possess insane reaction speed. Ventress has defeated a jedi who has done the latter, yet she was beaten by Savage. Plo Koon, who fought equally with Ventress, despite an injured arm, was also beaten by Savage. Obi Wan, too, has been bested by Savage.Savage and Malgus are similar fighters. Both rely more on strength to overcome speed advantages from faster opponents, except Savage has overpowered far stronger opponents. At this point, Savage has the force advantage other than lightning, an attack that will result in Malgus's quick demise if he uses it on Savage.
A single TCW duel doesn't say much. The entire show was extremely inaccurate. I mean, Kenobi also managed to slice off Savage's arm while also dueling Maul in a very tight space.
I'm willing to give this to Savage but the idea of Malgus' lightning being an advantage for the Zabrak is very illogical and so is comparing Malgus' lightning to blaster bolts. Like I said, Scourge as a rookie Lord has been hit by multiple bolts and his armor absorbed almost all of it.
Originally posted by carthage
It smashed through his force barrier which is >> killing Kiffar warriors with no force defense to speak of and droids lol. Savage probably wouldn't have any issues blocking it though.
Bulg, Anakin and Ventress are Kiffar and droids?
Even if Savage can't block, he'll definitely tank it until he gets pissed and chokes Malgus out.
Originally posted by SiniousLol at Canon being inaccurate...
A single TCW duel doesn't say much. The entire show was extremely inaccurate. I mean, Kenobi also managed to slice off Savage's arm while also dueling Maul in a very tight space.I'm willing to give this to Savage but the idea of Malgus' lightning being an advantage for the Zabrak is very illogical and so is comparing Malgus' lightning to blaster bolts. Like I said, Scourge as a rookie Lord has been hit by multiple bolts and his armor absorbed almost all of it.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Bulg, Anakin and Ventress are Kiffar and droids?Even if Savage can't block, he'll definitely tank it until he gets pissed and chokes Malgus out.
2/3 of those users are easily less powerful than Malgus, Kiffars can't raise a force barrier to deflect lightning, and Bulq has pretty horrible showings of barrier as well (getting tked by Windu/oneshot by Dooku),. The guy that collapsed buildings on Malgus is more powerful than either in terms of telekinesis I'm afraid
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol at Canon being inaccurate...
:facepalm:
I have no idea what that even means. Throughout TCW, characters' combat prowesses varied way too much. So character A beating character B once doesn't really mean much when character B has defeated char A in harder circumstances and has better feats/accolades overall.
Originally posted by Sinious
A single TCW duel doesn't say much. The entire show was extremely inaccurate. I mean, Kenobi also managed to slice off Savage's arm while also dueling Maul in a very tight space.I'm willing to give this to Savage but the idea of Malgus' lightning being an advantage for the Zabrak is very illogical and so is comparing Malgus' lightning to blaster bolts. Like I said, Scourge as a rookie Lord has been hit by multiple bolts and his armor absorbed almost all of it.
The fact that Savage tanks multiple blaster bolts and several assaults of Dooku's lightning, isn't just coincidence. His durability shouldn't be in question, especially when it's so consistent. There was nothing inaccurate about it. Malgus using lightning would result in his quick demise more than it would do anything to Savage, if it's used consistently enough to piss off Savage.
Kenobi did so while Savage was in a very unlikely stance during a saber lock. I'm more than certain that same situation won't present itself here, otherwise stunts like that would have happened to Savage more often, considering the opponents he's faced. If we're going by inconsistent showing then Savage will no doubt run through Malgus's lightning and chop of his head with no trouble at all.
Originally posted by carthage
2/3 of those users are easily less powerful than Malgus, Kiffars can't raise a force barrier to deflect lightning, and Bulq has pretty horrible showings of barrier as well (getting tked by Windu/oneshot by Dooku),. The guy that collapsed buildings on Malgus is more powerful than either in terms of telekinesis I'm afraid
Bulq had awful barriers just like those jedi Malgus overpowered with lightning. Dooku's >> Malgus bro. Anakin and Ventress >> those poor barrier jedi.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The fact that Savage tanks multiple blaster bolts and several assaults of Dooku's lightning, isn't just coincidence. His durability shouldn't be in question, especially when it's so consistent. There was nothing inaccurate about it. Malgus using lightning would result in his quick demise more than it would do anything to Savage, if it's used consistently enough to piss off Savage.Kenobi did so while Savage was in a very unlikely stance during a saber lock. I'm more than certain that same situation won't present itself here, otherwise stunts like that would have happened to Savage more often, considering the opponents he's faced. If we're going by inconsistent showing then Savage will no doubt run through Malgus's lightning and chop of his head with no trouble at all.
I'm not doubting Savage's durability but him having recognizable chance at Kenobi.
Savage's TK rage is also a unique case. It's very unlikely for it to happen against a single opponent absent morals.
Malgus' lightning being inaccurate against Jace(assuming that's what you're referring to) could be explained by several logical assumptions. Maybe he didn't go all out on him cause he thought he was just taking out a mere soldier with average will and gear and when he realized the opposition was resisting, he simply took him out single-handedly where the inaccuracy I'm pointing out is more plain and harder to justify.
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm not doubting Savage's durability but him having recognizable chance at Kenobi.Savage's TK rage is also a unique case. It's very unlikely for it to happen against a single opponent absent morals.
Malgus' lightning being inaccurate against Jace(assuming that's what you're referring to) could be explained by several logical assumptions. Maybe he didn't go all out on him cause he thought he was just taking out a mere soldier with average will and gear and when he realized the opposition was resisting, he simply took him out single-handedly where the inaccuracy I'm pointing out is more plain and harder to justify.
The inaccuracy and stupidity actually comes from why the hell Jace was given this elaborate death buildup when other Troopers were just getting hacked apart.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
The inaccuracy and stupidity actually comes from why the hell Jace was given this elaborate death buildup when other Troopers were just getting hacked apart.
I honestly hate how non force users can give a jedi/sith trouble but it is there and not just in EU but even in the movies.
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm not doubting Savage's durability but him having recognizable chance at Kenobi.Savage's TK rage is also a unique case. It's very unlikely for it to happen against a single opponent absent morals.
Malgus' lightning being inaccurate against Jace(assuming that's what you're referring to) could be explained by several logical assumptions. Maybe he didn't go all out on him cause he thought he was just taking out a mere soldier with average will and gear and when he realized the opposition was resisting, he simply took him out single-handedly where the inaccuracy I'm pointing out is more plain and harder to justify.
If Savage is attacked by something that would trigger such rage, then it's very likely.
Or maybe it's just an inconsistent low showing that shouldn't be brought up for the purpose of these threads, as I can't think of any reason as to why a single trooper would nearly power through an extended attack with his head being exposed. Same with Savage. I think people shouldn't harp on Kenobi chopping his arm off, considering Savage's stance during that particular saber lock, leaving his weakened knee so easily targeted. It's not a situation that is likely to present itself here nor is it something that just anyone could do to him, otherwise it would have happened more often, considering the number of Obi Wan level duelists he's faced, including Obi Wan himself.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If Savage is attacked by something that would trigger such rage, then it's very likely.Or maybe it's just an inconsistent low showing that shouldn't be brought up for the purpose of these threads, as I can't think of any reason as to why a single trooper would nearly power through an extended attack with his head being exposed. Same with Savage. I think people shouldn't harp on Kenobi chopping his arm off, considering Savage's stance during that particular saber lock, leaving his weakened knee so easily targeted. It's not a situation that is likely to present itself here nor is it something that just anyone could do to him, otherwise it would have happened more often, considering the number of Obi Wan level duelists he's faced, including Obi Wan himself.
Why did Savage end up in such vulnerable position then? During the entire fight, Kenobi focused on his knee. Savage never managed to defend it properly. And again, Kenobi used this weakness at the end and managed to cut off his arm. This might very well be due to Savage's lack of proper training(compared to a fully trained jedi/sith). Such amateur defending against Malgus would cause him his life.
Also, Maul single-handedly disarms Savage after 2 strikes. I doubt Maul could do that to Malgus tbh.
Sinious, what I'm trying to say is that Savage tanking blaster bolts and Dooku's lightning so consistently, conveys the writers intent perfectly: Savage is just that durable. We've seen blaster bolts burn holes right through jedi all throughout canon, and we've seen Dooku's lightning render powerful force users unconscious, without trying to kill them. With that being the case, there's no reason to assume Malgus lightning would do any more damage to Savage than what he's been shown to consistently handle. Malgus's lightning burning holes isn't going to harm Savage more than blaster bolts which have the power to do the same. It doesn't matter if it's lightning or not when the result is the same. However, if you want to get that strict, well, again Savage has shown to tank several blasts of Dooku's lightning, and while Dooku's never shown to burn holes through jedi, he has taken out more powerful jedi with it, without trying to kill them, similar to Vitiate taking out a powerful strike team, without intending to kill them. The best way to compare Malgus's lightning to Dooku's would be to judge it by their opponents, their intents, and similar situations; basically the same way you would do if it were Vitiate. Dooku's comes off as superior to Malgus's.
Regardless, we know Savage can tank powerful lightning, and attacks that cause similar damage to that of Malgus's lightning. All it does is trigger his anger, which won't go well for Malgus.
Originally posted by Sinious
Why did Savage end up in such vulnerable position then? During the entire fight, Kenobi focused on his knee. Savage never managed to defend it properly. And again, Kenobi used this weakness at the end and managed to cut off his arm. This might very well be due to Savage's lack of proper training(compared to a fully trained jedi/sith). Such amateur defending against Malgus would cause him his life.Also, Maul single-handedly disarms Savage after 2 strikes. I doubt Maul could do that to Malgus tbh.
He was also kicked there by Adi before Kenobi, and before you question her strength, she went toe to toe with Grievous. And again, Malgus style of fighting is similar to Savage's. He hacks away at his opponents defenses, especially the faster ones; in Savage's case, Kenobi is the faster and more agile opponent, such advantage that Malgus doesn't have against Savage. Ventress couldn't do it to Savage, Plo couldn't, Kenobi (on about three other occasions) couldn't, Plo couldn't, etc, so why should I assume Malgus would? There would definitely be no reason for Savage to be in that same exact stance pressing down on Malgus from the side as he was with Obi Wan, unless Savage is overpowering Malgus with strength or if someone else is on the other side.
I'm not going to get into that, but your doubts aren't proof. You already stated that you believe Savage would win, so why bring up the fight with Maul?